- Jun 9, 2007
The IMF do tremendous damage throughout the Third World and are slaves to right-wing economic orthodoxy. This is a bloody awful day. Nearly as bad as the days that Ahern was re-elected...
Yes, perhaps I'm being a bit optimistic re. the micro management, but they should at least be able to take on the PS unions in the Health Service.While I do hope the IMF will impose necessary cuts that FF didn't have the balls to do, I don't think their remit will include "providing the best level of care to the most people". Their job is to re-shape the economy so it can best repay any loans it receives. Maybe the HSE will improve, but if it does, it'll be a happy side-effect rather than an intentional aim.
"Adult supervision"? Are you stoned? The IMF readily support and facilitate corrupt, failed governments all over the world in return for being allowed to use the client countries natural recourses and labour force to their own ends.Lets make the most of the opportunities that will be provided by this "hopefully" brief period of adult supervision and that we are ready and mature enough to take back our "sovereignty" licence when we come out of this.
You can vote them out.Their not grown-ups, they're a bank. They'll run Ireland for their own profit instead of the profit of the people and, unlike FF, we'll get no option to vote them out. You're not exporting your cop on are you, by any chance?
Even so, i'm just relieved that the country can now get down to doing something about the mess FF etc created, they'll be social upheavel not seen on a scale since the early 20th century.The IMF do tremendous damage throughout the Third World and are slaves to right-wing economic orthodoxy. This is a bloody awful day. Nearly as bad as the days that Ahern was re-elected...
Is this the view of the rest of the Green Party too?I've been listening to the Commentariat telling me that this is terrible, ignominious day for our country.
That may be true if you have put a lot of value on lofty ideals like sovereignty, nationhood and have a misty eyed view of various events that occured in our history at the beginning of the 20th century.
However, if like me, you live in the present, and are more concerned about the quality and extent of your freedoms rather than who provides them, today is a good day.
Why? Because over the next couple of years, key economic decisions in this country will no longer be made by people who are more concerned about the narrow political impact of those decisions than that actual impact they will have on society.
Instead, they will be made by people who have long experience of getting the best possible return for a finite set of resources without having to worry about how they are perceived politically.
For instance, our Health budget will now be allocated in a way that provides the best level of care to the most people, rather than in a way that ensures that as many hayseed politician as possible have a reasonable chance of being re-elected.
If this dispassionate and objective approach is applied to every aspect of fiscal management in this country, we will, after a short and painful period of adjustment, be left with a solid and depoliticised foundation on which to build a more productive and efficient public sector, which will cost a fraction of what it used to cost when it was designed for political purposes.
/MOD/Not sure if I count as nice, but that's done. It really would be nice if people could look about a bit before starting threads. /MOD/talking about the same thing over here
Maybe one of the nice mods could do the honours and merge the threads?
We won't ever be in a position to pay them this money back, we don't have it and don't have the economic prospects to make it.You can vote them out.
You can vote for a Government that promises to repay them what they are owed and they will go away.
Cozzy thanks for the reply and i apologise for the IQ remark. It was childish of me but you did accuse me of peddling FF propaganda so i hope you'll forgive me.My apologies, Im sorry to equate you to ff or to their supporters, but your OP brought up all the memories of the pronouncements of the past decade which are now proven to have been nothing more than b*llsh*t. from ff.
We are now to look forward to a decade or more of low growth, high unemployment and emigration, our best and brightest will leave, how can you not understand that?.
Any new government will have to fight tooth & nail to pass any policies to sort out ff mess of the economy, because it will be a coalition and subject to breaking up.
The Private Sector capital that you feel is primed for investment will head offshore as it did throughout the 1980s.
Though you hate them, the public sector worker will still have to be paid, which will become increasingly difficult as the economy is trapped in a spiral of hiking taxes to pay for bailing out the bankers.
Its time for some realism, not bertie ahern-esqe notions about this county.
And what will happen then? FG and Labour are stuck with the IMF pulling the purse strings. Their hands are tied unless they tell the IMF to leave. Do you honestly see that happening?Am I happy the IMF is here?..................... ANYTHING is better than Fianna Fail or Fianna Fail and the Green Party running the country. Just give us a chance to recover by letting all of us go to the polls.
Don't forget quantitative easing, they will take this option when the money runs out, inflation will be back.There is nothing good about the IMF. They are parasites and are simply evil.
They have just 200 to 300 Billion left in their kitty. That's not enough for the carnage ahead (Portugal, Greece (again), Spain, Italy, UK, Japan and the US). Praise be.