Immigration Overhaul in the UK

JacquesHughes

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'Industry' groups ( ie employers) have protested in chorus at the Johnson government's sweeping changes of the UK's immigration system from a 'rights based' to a 'points-based' system, ( announced today, operative from 1-1-2021).


On BBC Radio 4 today Ian Duncan Smith MP demolished one such industry group's plea for more 'more foreign staff, please'

'They told me they needed more immigrant drivers 'because we don't have the skilled people in the UK'.
Ian Duncan Smith ( he could do these things because he was the relevant Minister) set up a hundred schools to train up the under-skilled and unemployed as haulage drivers. Contrary to industry predictions to the minister, all the places were filled, and the drop-out rate was low, and 85% completed training and sought to enter the workforce.
The industry lobbyists were still not happy, and protested that 'the foreign drivers were cheaper'.

In fairness to this Tory MP, he was completely scathing of his apparent 'class allies' in the employing companies, and added that British employers had not done enough to train or up-skill their staff, and had long been lazy and become used to managing a skill shortage by bringing in 'someone from abroad'.

He said, and there are lifetimes of hurt behind this statistic, that today only 15-20 % of British workers, who start in an 'entry-level role', progress any further over their working life; and IDS thought this was a uniquely low 'rate of progression'.

Comment: It seems that Johnson plus Brexit have enabled a clear-sighted critique of 'why do we need immigrants?' and 'what do we want to get from giving out work-permits and visas?', and of course to contemplate radical change, and take the flak.
Ireland , and eventually the EU will have to do likewise.

One might reflect; most of what the Johnson government is doing to overhaul the immigration system could have been done within the EU. The shackles were imaginary.
 


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What do you think the goal is? If Labour were pushing this it would make sense to me. It's a very un-Tory approach.
 

ednw1

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Colin Neill, chief executive of Hospitality Ulster had an interesting slant on it saying theat businesses dont have the staff to open in NI even where they want to. he also sits on the home office committee and asked how will cross border workers be dealt with (apparantley one answer was they would apply for 'settled' status in NI ?) interview here
 

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The tories say they plan to train the millions of people who are economically inactive, to deal with any of the impending staff shortages.
 

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What do you think the goal is? If Labour were pushing this it would make sense to me. It's a very un-Tory approach.
It's one strand of Toryism.
There's the free market, supply side, trickle down, libertarian, radical streak in them.
And there's the patriotic, traditional, protectionist, atavistic, "conservative" streak.
This measure leans to the latter.
 

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What do you think the goal is? If Labour were pushing this it would make sense to me. It's a very un-Tory approach.
The tories say they plan to train the millions of people who are economically inactive, to deal with any of the impending staff shortages.
cant wait till they put the old dears who voted for brexit working in the fields.
 

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It will be interesting to see how many people will use the 26 Counties to get into the UK illegally ?
 

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What do you think the goal is? If Labour were pushing this it would make sense to me. It's a very un-Tory approach.
Labour, the supposed representatives of the working class, has long been infiltrated and hi-jacked by Academic types who are hostile to the working class. Their mentality was summed up back in the 1970s by Shirley Williams "I would rather have a Conservative who is "good on race" than a backwoods Trade Unionist. i.e. When the interests of the working-class clash with socialist ideology, to hell with the working-class. I am a Socialist. "

As for the Conservatives, they want to keep their new working-class support in Northern England.

P.S. The English middle-class hated their working-class fellow English to such an extent, rather than give them fair play, they imported another working class.
 

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No
Would that include the Duke of York?
 

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Bet there are more than a few of the 17.4 million leave voters who would fall into that 'economically inactive' bracket. So Joe who is unemployed and believes benefits and housing assistance should be for British people first and has some idea that immigration is what has held him back in his life will now suddenly be confronted by the Great Unchainers who demand he goes and works in the fields.

That should go down well with the Joes.
 

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That's a great plan to drain Ireland of it's talent under the CTA. Time we started taxing Irish people living abroad. No country could afford such a loss.
 

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That's a great plan to drain Ireland of it's talent under the CTA. Time we started taxing Irish people living abroad. No country could afford such a loss.
Wouldn't that mean the entire diaspora would then be entitled to vote in general and European elections?
 

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It was signalled in their manifesto and now they are delivering it , that is how things are supposed to work.
You're quite right. It's remarkable that you can get people to vote for the craziest things if you tell enough lies and create distractions in an election. You can even get people to vote to put farmers, taxi services, hotels, restaurants, nursing homes, and even hospitals out of business because they cannot find people to staff them.
 

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Wouldn't that mean the entire diaspora would then be entitled to vote in general and European elections?
Only if the pay their taxes. No taxes, no passport and no citizenship for descendants.
 


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