Immigration policy . Irish political Parties , what is their position?

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In the upcoming general election.

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Will immigration be an issue or will it be largely ingnored again by the media and the parties in the name of the multi-cult and politcial correctness?

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What are the immigration polices of the parties?

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According to their websites lets look.
The three top parties have no stated position on their websites AFAICS
on one the biggest issues in the country.
Why is that the case?


Green Party
Immigration / Policies / Home - Green Party / Comhaontas Glas
Immigration is one of the most pressing political challenges for the international community today. It is imperative that governments realise they cannot ignore immigration and instead need clear legislation and guidelines in place to deal with the issue fairly and adequately.
Fianna Failure
Issues | Fianna Fáil
It is not listed as an issue. Their unoffical policy is to make money from it.

Fine Gael
http://www.finegael.ie/
Not listed in their issue section.

Labour party
Labour policy documents » Full policy listing » Our ideas » The Labour Party
Not listed in their policy section.

Sinn Fein
Issues | Sinn Féin
Not listed in their policy section.

The socialist party
Stop the deportation of the Adeniran family | Socialist Party
The Adeniran family who have lived in Ireland for many years are facing deportation to Nigeria after their High Court bid for asylum failed. A group of Balbriggan school students who attend the Community College with the eldest son, Bola, have come together to fight the deportation and have formed the Friends of the Adeniran Family campaign.
This party seems to support the right of anyone to come here.
 


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We could close all borders and deport Irish people from USA, Canada, Australia and even less obvious countries such as China, Argentina, Brazil, Thailand etc. etc.

The foreign wives of returning Irish could be deported and perhaps their half Irish kids. Maybe the descendants of our resident Anglo Irish - anyone with a British name (Smith, Wilkinson, McDonald etc.)

We have descendants of French and Spanish who landed here hundreeds of years ago. Let's purge them. Or we could go back further and deport descandants of Normans and Vikings.

A pure Irish race of red haired freckled maidens speaking gaeilge and playing tin whistles.
 

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Just keep out the foreigners who have no business here.
 

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There should be a cut off for social welfare for individuals who were not born here. I think it would be fair that after three months of welfare payments that their entitlement should end and they should be encouraged to either find work here or return to their native country to find alternative employment.

I also feel that individual ethnic groups such as the Roma are a large problem. Personal experience has shown that they offer little to the state other than shoplifting and begging.

I don't object to anyone who comes to Ireland insearch of employment. I do object to the freeloaders who have obviously travelled through many prosperous countries to claim asylum. Why do they travel so far? Is it because of our overly generous welfare system that has become infamous far and wide across the world?
 
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In the upcoming general election.
Will immigration be an issue or will it be largely ingnored again by the media and the parties in the name of the multi-cult and politcial correctness?
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It is not an issue the general public are interested in. Most foreigners are starting to leave. Our non-EU citizen population is tiny by EU standards. If it grew too big then it might become an issue.
 

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It is not an issue the general public are interested in. Most foreigners are starting to leave. Our non-EU citizen population is tiny by EU standards. If it grew too big then it might become an issue.
In certain areas in Ireland there is a large number of foreigners, certainly there is a larger Polish, Nigerian and Romanian than I remember it being a few years ago.

I think it's important that we know what politicians think about these sorts of things

If anyone does find the answer to the OP's question, be sure to put it up on http://www.politicswiki.ie
 

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We could close all borders and deport Irish people from USA, Canada, Australia and even less obvious countries such as China, Argentina, Brazil, Thailand etc. etc.

The foreign wives of returning Irish could be deported and perhaps their half Irish kids. Maybe the descendants of our resident Anglo Irish - anyone with a British name (Smith, Wilkinson, McDonald etc.)

We have descendants of French and Spanish who landed here hundreeds of years ago. Let's purge them. Or we could go back further and deport descandants of Normans and Vikings.

A pure Irish race of red haired freckled maidens speaking gaeilge and playing tin whistles.
Ah, the Department of Justice and Equality are ahead of you on this one,
the 2010 Bill clarifies in law that the wife and family of an Irishman has
no right of entry into Ireland

This only applies to Irish, Not to other EU peoples who have an automatic right.

I'm not kidding... There was even a proposal that they would not be allowed to get married.

Minister for Justice said:
Marriage to an Irish national does not confer any automatic right to enter to reside in the State solely on that basis.
 
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nothing flushes out a moron quicker than the old immigration debate.
Anyway couple of quick points-there are far more irish people living abroad than non irish people in ireland so if everyone "went home" we d have even more unemployment.
For the forseeable future irelands immigraion policy will be of purely academic and historical interest-the people who are allowed to come here wouldnt want to and the asylun seeker tap is pretty much turned off.
Think its EMIgration you need to be talkin about.
Obviously alot of posters on here will be writing to George Osborne telling him that Irish people living in England who have paid their National Insurance should have welfare payments cut off
 

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This only applies to Irish, Not to other EU peoples who have an automatic right.

I'm not kidding...
It seems ludicrous but then as an Irish citizen is also an EU citizen then he or she could appeal any such decision on that grounds.
 

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We could close all borders and deport Irish people from USA, Canada, Australia and even less obvious countries such as China, Argentina, Brazil, Thailand etc. etc.

The foreign wives of returning Irish could be deported and perhaps their half Irish kids. Maybe the descendants of our resident Anglo Irish - anyone with a British name (Smith, Wilkinson, McDonald etc.)

We have descendants of French and Spanish who landed here hundreeds of years ago. Let's purge them. Or we could go back further and deport descandants of Normans and Vikings.

A pure Irish race of red haired freckled maidens speaking gaeilge and playing tin whistles.
I'm getting tired of these bogus comparisons with Irish immigration to pre-welfares-state countries in the 19th and early 20th century, and where we spoke the language of the host-societies and were tiny in comparison to the host-societies. Meanwhile, our immigrants in Ireland come mainly from countries with tens or hundreds of millions of people like Nigeria, Poland and China. We certainly weren't trying to fundamentally change their way of life by imposing Sharia, unlike what has happened with Islamic extremism in Holland, the UK, Spain etc.

I will not vote for any party that favours a further liberalisation of our asylum or immigration system. Charity begins at home. While blaming the policy rather than the immigrants themselves, mass-immigration without restrictions is not tenable either in economic, infrastructural, or cultural terms. Newcomers cannot be assimilated if they constitute a large proportion of the population of the host-society. They cannot be borne by a social-welfare system that acts as an incentive in itself for immigration in a context where the population is too small to support a sizeable proportion of the country-of-origin travelling to Ireland - a country with a tiny population (relatively-speaking) and on the verge of being forced to run on its knees to the doors of the IMF. I reject out of hand any conceptions that immigration - alone amongst policy areas - has to be closed off from critical debate that veers away from Left-Liberalism and Political-Correctness. I also condemn and reject the attempts to smear everyone or most that want tighter controls (as attested by polls) as some kind of Nazis. History records that immigration had nothing whatsoever to do with the rise of Hitler or Mussolini.

I do not believe that the apparent 'consensus' on immigration in Leinster House is as real as it seems. Occasional incidents of politicians like Ivor Callely, Noel O'Flynn and (outside the Dail) Kevin Kiely putting their heads above the parapets to reflect public opinion instead of elite-opinion before being slapped down by party-bosses at the behest of Madame Editor's newspaper underline that it is an imposed consensus bereft of democratic accountability. As Brian Hayes correctly put it recently (though he wasn't specifically bringing up immigration), politicians on either side of the house in the Dail are not allowed to speak their minds, because the system is so autocratic. This must change and a Dail primary-system for choosing candidates modelled on US Congressional primaries (wait for the usual anti-American rhetoric from the Left) is the answer to restoring the democratic safeguard of free and open debate and destroying the tyranny of overweening, paranoid Political-Correctness which seeks to restore the methods of the Inquisition to enforce a Left-Liberal agenda on society which is in fact more intolerant than any mainstream Irish conservative. I personally may even consider (with great reluctant) voting FF again if the opposition persist in their nonsense of trying to double non-EEA students and allowing asylum-seekers to work. We are in a recession and cannot afford to look after a substantial increase in the numbers of non-EEA citizens. I'm far from happy with the complete and utter suppression of debate and lack of public consulation that characterised the last 13 yrs of immigration-policy. Yet I have even less trust in the Rainbow parties and SF in this area, given their obstruction of the Immigration, Residence and Protection Bill and Labour's crying-wolf on deportations, the hunger-strike by Afghan relatives of Taliban ministers, and Labour/SF's opposition to the Citizenship Referendum. If the Opposition want the votes of people like me they will have to get tough on this issue as even America - a country of immigrant-descent - is doing.
 
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acme said:
This only applies to Irish, Not to other EU peoples who have an automatic right.

I'm not kidding...
It seems ludicrous but then as an Irish citizen is also an EU citizen then he or she could appeal any such decision on that grounds.
You would think so, But EU rights are not conferred on own citizens in their own country, its upto the National Government to ensure equality, and grant equal rights.

Its Dermot Ahern's call, and he said no to equality
 

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In the upcoming general election.

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Will immigration be an issue or will it be largely ingnored again by the media and the parties in the name of the multi-cult and politcial correctness?

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What are the immigration polices of the parties?

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According to their websites lets look.
The three top parties have no stated position on their websites AFAICS
on one the biggest issues in the country.
Why is that the case?
1. No. It won't be an issue.
2. Not to offend the Irish Times....or a multitude of aggressive state funded quangos.
3. Sheer cowardice and dereliction of duty. But what's new ?
 

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I do not believe that the apparent 'consensus' on immigration in Leinster House is as real as it seems. Occasional incidents of politicians like Ivor Callely, Noel O'Flynn and (outside the Dail) Kevin Kiely putting their heads above the parapets to reflect public opinion instead of elite-opinion before being slapped down by party-bosses at the behest of Madame Editor's newspaper underline that it is an imposed consensus bereft of democratic accountability.

Indeed. And our public reps have taken due note of what befell those few heads above the parapet.
 

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1. No. It won't be an issue.
2. Not to offend the Irish Times....or a multitude of aggressive state funded quangos.
3. Sheer cowardice and dereliction of duty. But what's new ?
We shall see. They proved in 2007 that you can beat the Irish Times. Also, an increasingly desperate FF will have to scrape the bottom of the issue-barrell to stand the remotest change of holding onto power in some form.
 

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What other countries do, about immigration, is their concern, what we do with ours is ours.

We seem to be incapable of learning from other countries experiences.

Mind you, our immigation policy should be closely modelled on Israel's.
 

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FutureTaoiseach, If you want to reduce the number of coloured immigrants wandering the streets, you will have to stop Irish 3rd level institutions from enrolling fee paying students from outside the EU.

The average fee for a mickey mouse Politics course is around 15,000 Euro
Fees and Grants Office - Undergraduate Fees

So, what would you do ?
 

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Personally i'm in favour of more immigration . anything that might help eradicate the redneck gombeen mentality in this country can only be a good thing.
 

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FutureTaoiseach, If you want to reduce the number of coloured immigrants wandering the streets, you will have to stop Irish 3rd level institutions from enrolling fee paying students from outside the EU.

The average fee for a mickey mouse Politics course is around 15,000 Euro
Fees and Grants Office - Undergraduate Fees

So, what would you do ?
Where did I mention skin-colour? This is the sort of hippy, Left-Liberal elitist Dublin 4 smear that gets my back up. I don't care about colour. As for non-EEA third level fees - I favour the return of fees for Irish people who can afford them, which resolves that question. Former DCU President Ferdinand von Prondzynski recently warned on Newstalk that the Irish Third Level sector will be damaged if a perception is created internationally that we are simply using the student-visa system to pay for Irish students. I will not be silenced on this issue. You're not in Leinster House now you know. ;)
 

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Personally i'm in favour of more immigration . anything that might help eradicate the redneck gombeen mentality in this country can only be a good thing.
Why on earth would we want to encourage more immigration, we have approx 425,000 unemployed, we don't have the resources to pay more social welfare payments out for new visitors that can not find a job.
 


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