Implications of Catalan independence referendum on Scottish intentions to remain in EU

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Meanwhile, on the Catalan side, Monday marks the start of the trial of various Catalan politicians for organising the 2014 plebiscite. It is expected that they may use the occasion to announce the date of the binding 2017 referendum.
 


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Sure - a one party state where only one newspaper supports independence & where the government is a minority government & the SNP controls one council to Labour's four.
:lol:

How many MP's???;)
 

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Was in Catalonia recently, outside of Barcelona you would be hard pressed to find any sign that you were in Spain (or at least the one that most people imagine); Catalan is spoken everywhere, their flag is flown from nearly every window. Local authorities seem very eager to make it clear who they are.

The Catalans certainly seem to be aware and are passionate about their cultural distinction and are confident of their potential viability as a sovereign state. They are nowhere near as self-doubting as the Scots.
 

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Support's up since hard Brexit announced.


Support for Scottish independence rises after PM May goes for 'clean break Brexit' | Reuters

Two points in it if this latest poll is to be believed.
The BMG poll found a clear majority of those Scottish residents polled - 56 percent to 44 percent - still oppose holding another independence vote before Britain finishes negotiations to leave the EU, probably in early 2019.

Support for Scottish independence rises after PM May goes for 'clean break Brexit' | Reuters
 

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Was in Catalonia recently, outside of Barcelona you would be hard pressed to find any sign that you were in Spain (or at least the one that most people imagine); Catalan is spoken everywhere, their flag is flown from nearly every window. Local authorities seem very eager to make it clear who they are.

The Catalans certainly seem to be aware and are passionate about their cultural distinction and are confident of their potential viability as a sovereign state. They are nowhere near as self-doubting as the Scots.
Nowhere near as self doubting as the Scots?

The polls show less than 50% in favour of Catalan "independence"
Of those wanting "independence" it seems the majority want to stay in the EU with the rest of Spain
 

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Northsideman what a clown you are. You give the Irish a bad name with your ignorance. You know nothing about the Scots or Scotland or the fight for independence. All I can say is we will win our independence and no one would have been killed in the process... something tonne proud of.
 

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Latest poll stats 49% will go for independence this will climb as the soft no vote realises the contempt Westminster holds Scotland in becomes more evident as the new it debacle unfolds further. Agus Alba Gu brath.
 

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Very interesting developments tonight - BBC Scotland asked a Partido Popular MEP if Spain would veto Scotland's re-admission into the EU, and they said there would be no objections, so that's a key Unionist argument scotched.
 

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Its up to the scotish to decide their own fates, i can definitely see them holding another referendum within the next 5 years, if Scotland does breakaway it could have dire consequences for the rest of the UK.
 

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Very interesting developments tonight - BBC Scotland asked a Partido Popular MEP if Spain would veto Scotland's re-admission into the EU, and they said there would be no objections, so that's a key Unionist argument scotched.
One MEP from one party in one country that has said it will veto break away regions joining the EU is not evidence of a policy change ....I would hazard a guess that MEPs in Spain like in Ireland are so far down the food chain of importance that they can say whatever they like , they have about as much influence as I do .....sweet FA
 

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One MEP from one party in one country that has said it will veto break away regions joining the EU is not evidence of a policy change ....I would hazard a guess that MEPs in Spain like in Ireland are so far down the food chain of importance that they can say whatever they like , they have about as much influence as I do .....sweet FA
In this clip, he states that there is a clear contrast with Catalonia, as the Scots would be rejoining after leaving the EU, rather than the situation in Barcelona, which would see the Catalans leaving a current EU member:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XYIMvEvmwSs&feature=youtu.be
 

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One MEP from one party in one country that has said it will veto break away regions joining the EU is not evidence of a policy change ....I would hazard a guess that MEPs in Spain like in Ireland are so far down the food chain of importance that they can say whatever they like , they have about as much influence as I do .....sweet FA
If only Spain could have prevented Ireland leaving the "UK" in 1922?

Right?
 

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Scots are going nowhere, They are a defeated nation, Depend to much on the Bucky money each week from the London taxpayer.
 

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Catalonia's government is upping the ante in its pursuit of independence from Spain.

Catalonia leader vows 2017 referendum on Spain independence - BBC News



Should the Catalans force a constitutional crisis with the Spanish government, it will certainly have an effect on Scottish intentions to hold another referendum. Whether this helps or hinders SNP ambitions to create an independent state that remains in the EU while England and Wales brexit remains to be seen as it could lead to a number of contradictory stances being taken should there be votes held in both countries.

For example, would the EU recognise Scottish and Catalan referenda if they were held in defiance of the British and Spanish governments?

Would the EU treat votes for independence in both countries the same?

Would the Spanish government veto a Scottish application to join the EU or take over Britain's membership following Brexit so as to invalidate any Catalan application for separate membership of the Union?

Catalonia is Spanish.
 

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