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Improvements in the Health Service- January 2013


DJP

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I know, I know this isn't part of his plan- he is just a chancer who is only concerned about his own seat, pay, pension and party being in Government. He couldn't possibly care about the health service and patients despite being a former head of the IMO and doctor. Better to trust someone else in the Dáil being Minister for Health, like... well like, you know... em....

From Dr. James Reilly's Facebook page today:

Improvements in Health Service Statistics​
•There has been a reduction of 24% in the number of people on trolleys. There were 20,352 fewer patients on trolleys in 2012 than in 2011.
•The has been a reduction of 98% in the number of adults waiting more than nine months for inpatient and day-case surgery; down from 3,706 in December 2011 to 86 at the end of December 2012.
•There was a 95% reduction in the number of children waiting more than 20 weeks for inpatient or day-case surgery; down from 1,759 in December 2011 to 89.
•The number of patients waiting more than 13 weeks for routine endoscopy procedures was reduced by 99%; from 4,590 in December 2011 to 36 at the end of 2012.
•For the first time in the history of the State, we have collated the true number of people waiting on outpatient lists (around 380,000).
•By the end of the year, the plan is that no one will wait longer than 12 months for an outpatient appointment. Some 16,000 people have been waiting longer than four years.
•There is no longer a dispute over the morning trolley count with the INMO; we now have a joint figure.

In terms of delivery of the Programme for Government how is Dr. James Reilly not delivering?
 
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This must be a Hug a Chancer thread?


Did he offer any proof or is this Bottler simply beating his chest to try to prop himself up in the eyes of the public? It won't work you clown.
 
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I know, I know this isn't part of his plan- he is just a chancer who is only concerned about his own seat, pay, pension and party being in Government. He couldn't possibly care about the health service and patients despite being a former head of the IMO and doctor. Better to trust someone else in the Dáil being Minister for Health, like... well like, you know... em....

From Dr. James Reilly's Facebook page today:

Improvements in Health Service Statistics​
•There has been a reduction of 24% in the number of people on trolleys. There were 20,352 fewer patients on trolleys in 2012 than in 2011.
•The has been a reduction of 98% in the number of adults waiting more than nine months for inpatient and day-case surgery; down from 3,706 in December 2011 to 86 at the end of December 2012.
•There was a 95% reduction in the number of children waiting more than 20 weeks for inpatient or day-case surgery; down from 1,759 in December 2011 to 89.
•The number of patients waiting more than 13 weeks for routine endoscopy procedures was reduced by 99%; from 4,590 in December 2011 to 36 at the end of 2012.
•For the first time in the history of the State, we have collated the true number of people waiting on outpatient lists (around 380,000).
•By the end of the year, the plan is that no one will wait longer than 12 months for an outpatient appointment. Some 16,000 people have been waiting longer than four years.
•There is no longer a dispute over the morning trolley count with the INMO; we now have a joint figure.

In terms of delivery of the Programme for Government how is Dr. James Reilly not delivering?
Is this a last minute plea?
 

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I'm no expert so I don't know if these claims are true or not. However, I have felt for some time that the HSE should be out saying more about the improvements that have definitely happened. The big increase in life expectancy is proof of that. They are probably afraid to put their heads above the parapet because, for most of the media, HSE = a bad news story.
 

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And from The IT today:

"Despite the funding pressures facing the mental health sector, a major survey has found a large majority of service users were happy with the standard of service they received.

A study based on more than 1,500 people’s experiences with the services last year found some 76 per cent were happy overall. This compares with 57 per cent in 2010 and 52 per cent in 2009."

The Irish Times - Wed, Jan 30, 2013
 

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And from The IT today:

"Despite the funding pressures facing the mental health sector, a major survey has found a large majority of service users were happy with the standard of service they received.

A study based on more than 1,500 people’s experiences with the services last year found some 76 per cent were happy overall. This compares with 57 per cent in 2010 and 52 per cent in 2009."

The Irish Times - Wed, Jan 30, 2013
It would be interesting to know where these surveys are conducted. Are they when the patient is still in hospital or in treatment? I would imagine it would be hard for patients to be honest when in listering distance from their health providers.
 

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I'm no expert so I don't know if these claims are true or not. However, I have felt for some time that the HSE should be out saying more about the improvements that have definitely happened. The big increase in life expectancy is proof of that. They are probably afraid to put their heads above the parapet because, for most of the media, HSE = a bad news story.
The increase in life expectancy and improvements to many services has had nothing really to do with Minister Reilly. If you're looking to pat someone on the back, look to Micky Martin and Mary Harney (I'm sure i'll get pulled on that by the masses). The HSE has also certainly assisted with improving the health service in Ireland. And youre right, it has improved greatly in recent years. But the Minister would disagree with that, hence the disbandment of the HSE monster and returning power to politicians. :roll:
 

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and improvements to many services has had nothing really to do with Minister Reilly. If you're looking to pat someone on the back, look to Micky Martin and Mary Harney
Did you read the OP? And bar the smoking ban Mícheál Martin did nothing remarkable when he was Minister for Health and Mary Harney- what did she do?
 

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Good tangible, quantifiable facts and figures.

The moanyholes will hate that.
 
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It would be interesting to know where these surveys are conducted. Are they when the patient is still in hospital or in treatment? I would imagine it would be hard for patients to be honest when in listering distance from their health providers.
Unfortunately, the actual study doesn't elaborate on how the sample of service-users was selected. They also seem to suggest that methodology involved qualitative and qualitative data, but from what I can gather instrument itself is actually quantitative - ie, it's a one page survey and the questionnaire has pre-defined research questions with the answers that they want to receive! I also don't see the relevant section on the questionnaire which gives the respondent the opportunity to make personal comments on the service they received :confused:. The interesting part is that their qualitative analysis involves looking at the comments of the respondents and analysing these for meaning. How can they analyse respondents answers for meaning if they don't interview the respondents - isn't there a margin for error? They don't elaborate on the non-response rate, the nature of the MH difficulties that the service-users may be suffering from, or the various social factors that may affect their responses ie, age, education, occupation, social class etc. It also doesn't seem to address the reliability and validity of the data and particularly to what extent are current service-users really going to be willing to express their dissatisfaction with services?

Turn to Appendix 1 if you want to see the actual questionnaire!

http://www.nsue.ie/m/uploads/files/SO2011.pdf
 

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The increase in life expectancy and improvements to many services has had nothing really to do with Minister Reilly. If you're looking to pat someone on the back, look to Micky Martin and Mary Harney (I'm sure i'll get pulled on that by the masses). The HSE has also certainly assisted with improving the health service in Ireland. And youre right, it has improved greatly in recent years. But the Minister would disagree with that, hence the disbandment of the HSE monster and returning power to politicians. :roll:
I agree that in many ways Harney improved many aspects of the Health Service (particularly with regard to Cancer Treatment). That in no way takes away from the fact that she was a loathsome politician with an outsized sense of entitlement.
 
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I know, I know this isn't part of his plan- he is just a chancer who is only concerned about his own seat, pay, pension and party being in Government. He couldn't possibly care about the health service and patients despite being a former head of the IMO and doctor. Better to trust someone else in the Dáil being Minister for Health, like... well like, you know... em....

From Dr. James Reilly's Facebook page today:

Improvements in Health Service Statistics​
•There has been a reduction of 24% in the number of people on trolleys. There were 20,352 fewer patients on trolleys in 2012 than in 2011.
•The has been a reduction of 98% in the number of adults waiting more than nine months for inpatient and day-case surgery; down from 3,706 in December 2011 to 86 at the end of December 2012.
•There was a 95% reduction in the number of children waiting more than 20 weeks for inpatient or day-case surgery; down from 1,759 in December 2011 to 89.
•The number of patients waiting more than 13 weeks for routine endoscopy procedures was reduced by 99%; from 4,590 in December 2011 to 36 at the end of 2012.
•For the first time in the history of the State, we have collated the true number of people waiting on outpatient lists (around 380,000).
•By the end of the year, the plan is that no one will wait longer than 12 months for an outpatient appointment. Some 16,000 people have been waiting longer than four years.
•There is no longer a dispute over the morning trolley count with the INMO; we now have a joint figure.

In terms of delivery of the Programme for Government how is Dr. James Reilly not delivering?
I love it when the government, any government, put out statistics. Immediately I wonder how they changed the criteria for compiling them. They did this in the health service when calculating the waiting time for admission to A&E. It went from the time a person actually pre4sented to when they were initially assessed or something like that. Memory is sketchie but it knocked off a few hours for them.

That was nice.
 

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I know, I know this isn't part of his plan- he is just a chancer who is only concerned about his own seat, pay, pension and party being in Government. He couldn't possibly care about the health service and patients despite being a former head of the IMO and doctor. Better to trust someone else in the Dáil being Minister for Health, like... well like, you know... em....

From Dr. James Reilly's Facebook page today:

Improvements in Health Service Statistics​
•There has been a reduction of 24% in the number of people on trolleys. There were 20,352 fewer patients on trolleys in 2012 than in 2011.
•The has been a reduction of 98% in the number of adults waiting more than nine months for inpatient and day-case surgery; down from 3,706 in December 2011 to 86 at the end of December 2012.
•There was a 95% reduction in the number of children waiting more than 20 weeks for inpatient or day-case surgery; down from 1,759 in December 2011 to 89.
•The number of patients waiting more than 13 weeks for routine endoscopy procedures was reduced by 99%; from 4,590 in December 2011 to 36 at the end of 2012.
•For the first time in the history of the State, we have collated the true number of people waiting on outpatient lists (around 380,000).
•By the end of the year, the plan is that no one will wait longer than 12 months for an outpatient appointment. Some 16,000 people have been waiting longer than four years.
•There is no longer a dispute over the morning trolley count with the INMO; we now have a joint figure.

In terms of delivery of the Programme for Government how is Dr. James Reilly not delivering?
The next time you walk around the corridors of Connolly speak to the staff DJ. Read the reports from various organisations and don't rely on poor James's version alone. Have you attended any of the meetings at Connolly? Read some of Damus posts on P.ie regarding Connolly hospital and compare them to Minister Reilly's Logaritmic version. The staff at Connolly are insulted by what Reilly is spinning. If the truth be known Reilly does not consult with the management. The link below provides some facts as found by a recent audit. Patients 'lost' on trolleys in chaotic hospital A&E - News, Frontpage - Herald.ie
 

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at the end of the year no one will have to wait more than 12 months for an appointment, bottler is so proud of this that he sticks up this drivel on facebook. perhaps i am wrong, but if some one has this wait then, they are dead, or they have little or nothing wrong with them, or more than likely that they have something the medics have missed, then they have to suffer for the rest of their lives.
 

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I know, I know this isn't part of his plan- he is just a chancer who is only concerned about his own seat, pay, pension and party being in Government. He couldn't possibly care about the health service and patients despite being a former head of the IMO and doctor. Better to trust someone else in the Dáil being Minister for Health, like... well like, you know... em....

From Dr. James Reilly's Facebook page today:

Improvements in Health Service Statistics​
•There has been a reduction of 24% in the number of people on trolleys. There were 20,352 fewer patients on trolleys in 2012 than in 2011.
That depends on what you're counting! Are they physically counting the number of patients who are still on trolleys awaiting admission in our overspill wards or those who are behind doors or on the corridors of wards in their trolley stats? There are 281 patients who are recorded as being officially on trolleys today in our ED's with the high toppers being Beaumont at 30 patients, SVUH having 38 patients, Cavan 20, CUH 22 and the Mid Western 22. Yesterday there were 322 patients who were officially recorded as being on trolleys with 316 patients on the 29th - and they are similar figures to this time last year!

•The has been a reduction of 98% in the number of adults waiting more than nine months for inpatient and day-case surgery; down from 3,706 in December 2011 to 86 at the end of December 2012.
Public patients are still being left waiting nine months for in-patient and day-case treatment - that's nothing to clap yourself on the back about! And coincidently, the numbers waiting for eye surgery has doubled with a high number also being on the list for orthopaedics and cardio-thoracic surgery.

Eye specialist waiting lists have doubled - News, Frontpage - Herald.ie

•There was a 95% reduction in the number of children waiting more than 20 weeks for inpatient or day-case surgery; down from 1,759 in December 2011 to 89.
How many children are still waiting on their first OPD appointment?

•For the first time in the history of the State, we have collated the true number of people waiting on outpatient lists (around 380,000).
Christ, so he's trying to put a positive spin on the fact that they're counting that there's circa 380,000 patients who are on our OPD lists?

•By the end of the year, the plan is that no one will wait longer than 12 months for an outpatient appointment. Some 16,000 people have been waiting longer than four years.
So no public patient will have to wait for no more than 12 months for their first OPD appointment....boy aren't we just marvellous! I'd say the 380,000 left waiting on OPD lists will take that with a pinch of salt.
 

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I know, I know this isn't part of his plan- he is just a chancer who is only concerned about his own seat, pay, pension and party being in Government. He couldn't possibly care about the health service and patients despite being a former head of the IMO and doctor. Better to trust someone else in the Dáil being Minister for Health, like... well like, you know... em....

From Dr. James Reilly's Facebook page today:

Improvements in Health Service Statistics​
•There has been a reduction of 24% in the number of people on trolleys. There were 20,352 fewer patients on trolleys in 2012 than in 2011.

How many have emigrated, there are less people so fewer viaits to A&E

•The has been a reduction of 98% in the number of adults waiting more than nine months for inpatient and day-case surgery; down from 3,706 in December 2011 to 86 at the end of December 2012.

Death and people giving up on waiting

•There was a 95% reduction in the number of children waiting more than 20 weeks for inpatient or day-case surgery; down from 1,759 in December 2011 to 89.

Most have been waiting so long they are now adults

•The number of patients waiting more than 13 weeks for routine endoscopy procedures was reduced by 99%; from 4,590 in December 2011 to 36 at the end of 2012.

Did 4,590 people actually need and endoscope? or were they just put forward by GP's to be seen to be doing something

•For the first time in the history of the State, we have collated the true number of people waiting on outpatient lists (around 380,000).

Wow an administrator finally pulled their finger out and used a calculator

•By the end of the year, the plan is that no one will wait longer than 12 months for an outpatient appointment. Some 16,000 people have been waiting longer than four years.

How? and more important why did this situation arise

•There is no longer a dispute over the morning trolley count with the INMO; we now have a joint figure.

Is this a benefit from CPA [1] that unions and management have agreed when to count patients on trollies?

In terms of delivery of the Programme for Government how is Dr. James Reilly not delivering?
Massive overspending, stroke politics (not stroke as in heart attack), waste, cronyism and general face palming.
 

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it's not that I can disprove this and isn't that I'm especially a moanyhole -but I just find this hard to credit. The mental health syatem is in chaoswith access to services virtually impossible in any kind of crisis -whice very many mental health cases are. I cannot believe it its my gut that's telling me there's something very wrong with this stuff.
 

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