In Relative Terms, The British Empire's Defeat In Ireland Was Greater Than America's Defeat in Vietnam?



NMunsterman

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You need to learn the difference between an assertion and a statement of fact. It is a fact that Ireland is not independent. England still rules in Ireland. The 'Southern Ireland' State is not Ireland.
You funked out of the tackle when challenged to make a comparison of Ireland's independence with Italy.
 

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The notion that Britain's defeat in Ireland (1919-21) was greater than the vastly more famous superpower defeat in the C20th, that of The Americans in Vietnam was put forward by a contributor to the recent Talking History Programme from Cork.

Why?....

Fanciful... home rule was on the cards anyway.

What did we get, a bit more home rule?

The vietcong had beaten the french in the 1950s and were nearly there in the south when JFK sent in the first US troops. Sinn Fein in 1919 didn't have millions of slave supporters from the next door state.

In 1921 the brits were clever enough to pull out and win the peace. We took that to be a hands-down victory, but it wasn't. When Lloyd George offered a rematch in December 1921, we blinked.
 

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They are still here and in control of the 6 counties only when there is a full withdrawel from those will the British Empire finally be defeated in Ireland.
 

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You funked out of the tackle when challenged to make a comparison of Ireland's independence with Italy.
No I didn't - I never even mentioned Italy - and England still rules in Ireland which means Ireland is not independent.
 

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Fanciful... home rule was on the cards anyway.

What did we get, a bit more home rule?

The vietcong had beaten the french in the 1950s and were nearly there in the south when JFK sent in the first US troops. Sinn Fein in 1919 didn't have millions of slave supporters from the next door state.

In 1921 the brits were clever enough to pull out and win the peace. We took that to be a hands-down victory, but it wasn't. When Lloyd George offered a rematch in December 1921, we blinked.
They did not pull out - they were in 'Southern Ireland' up until 1938, and they are still in 'Northern Ireland'.
 

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They did not pull out - they were in 'Southern Ireland' up until 1938, and they are still in 'Northern Ireland'.

Proving only that we blinked twice.
 

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Overseeing the creation of two self governing entities in Ireland that satisfied the majority of Irish people was a success for the British government. A victory of sorts. Shame they didn't do it a lot earlier and saved many lives.


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