Incident at Latin Mass

Cruimh

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I can understand it's disturbing that there was scuffling and that the host fell to the ground - but can someone explain the significance of the host being placed in the hand rather than the mouth please ?

Massgoer in Eucharist incident restrained

It occurred when a man approached the altar of the parish church and insisted he get communion in his hand rather than on the tongue.
Fr Wulfran Lebocq, who was assisting on the altar, quietly told the communicant to take communion on his tongue. This is in accordance with the traditional Latin rite.
According to onlookers, the communicant told the priest: "You're in Ireland now".
 


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I'm casting my mind back, I'm pretty sure it's to do with the line of custody of the host. So it's meant to go

1. Normal bread is made
2. God blesses it through the priest, making it super bread.
3. Super bread is fed directly to the attendee by the vessel of God.

They don't like the super bread being handled by the attendee as it makes it less holy. It's part of the elevation of priests in the Catholic faith.

Other christian sects hold more closely to the Bible line of "Take this bread and eat it" to the apostles i.e the attendees themselves take the bread and eat it. But again, in many of those other faiths, the priest is just a normal man praising God as opposed to a direct vessel, and the bread is just a symbol as opposed to Superbread.
 

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Got that Sync,thanks.So why did this guy attend the Latin Mass? Perhaps he is too young to remember the way communion was done in the old rite.The old mass is the same everywhere,so I don't see his point about 'you're in Ireland now'.
 

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I'm casting my mind back, I'm pretty sure it's to do with the line of custody of the host. So it's meant to go

1. Normal bread is made
2. God blesses it through the priest, making it super bread.
3. Super bread is fed directly to the attendee by the vessel of God.

They don't like the super bread being handled by the attendee as it makes it less holy. It's part of the elevation of priests in the Catholic faith.

Other christian sects hold more closely to the Bible line of "Take this bread and eat it" to the apostles i.e the attendees themselves take the bread and eat it. But again, in many of those other faiths, the priest is just a normal man praising God as opposed to a direct vessel, and the bread is just a symbol as opposed to Superbread.
Taking the host in the hand is the usual practice at mass.
 

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Got that Sync,thanks.So why did this guy attend the Latin Mass? Perhaps he is too young to remember the way communion was done in the old rite.The old mass is the same everywhere,so I don't see his point about 'you're in Ireland now'.
I would think anyone willing to fight over that sort of thing has other stuff going on with them.
 

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I'd agree with Dónal on this one. If you don't like the way thay do it at these masses go to one of the other ones. Or in my case none at all
 

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Nicely worded Sync. I am not Catholic, but my kids are. When we visited Ireland, I took them to church to have the experience of what Catholicism is like outside the US. They tried to take communion by hand, and were told quite severely to take it by mouth. We were all surprised at the level of...I almost want to say aggressiveness but that's not quite it...I guess there is just a lack of humor, humanity, and gentleness in comparison to our home church.

I also agre with Sync that there is something more going on with the person involved in this incident.
 

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I'd agree with Dónal on this one. If you don't like the way thay do it at these masses go to one of the other ones. Or in my case none at all
I used to prefer Benediction when I was a kid.I probably got off on the incense!

But seriously,at mass everyone seemed to be stressed out.Maybe by all that fasting back in the olden days.Ever notice how everyone visibly relaxes when the celebrant finishes his sermon? Back to the liturgy ,everyone likes what they know etc.

I remember one trendy priest who asked people - during his sermon - what they thought about old age pensioners feeling marginalised.There was a wave of horror sweeping through the congregation.Like ' you're doing this pal,not us ,so get on with it!' Likewise at a Protestant carol service I attended the flock sang along with gusto.Whereas at ours the tiny infants were warbling away at the crib all on their own.When they finished there was a drear silence,so I led a round of appause.Timidly at first,thinking to be left on my ownio like the poor little mites.
 

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Nicely worded Sync. I am not Catholic, but my kids are. When we visited Ireland, I took them to church to have the experience of what Catholicism is like outside the US. They tried to take communion by hand, and were told quite severely to take it by mouth. We were all surprised at the level of...I almost want to say aggressiveness but that's not quite it...I guess there is just a lack of humor, humanity, and gentleness in comparison to our home church.

I also agre with Sync that there is something more going on with the person involved in this incident.
When and where did that happen? Communion in the hand has been the normal practice here for many years.
 

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Four years ago in Lanesboro, County Longford.
Very odd. Children are taught to take communion in the hand for first communion. Generally it is only a minority of older people who do not follow this practice.
 

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have never ever seen in past???20 years communion by the mouth only-- at any mass in ireland
 

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From what people are saying this seems to be the Latin Mass rather than the garden variety of post Vatican II
 

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Any thoughts from Northern Catholics ?

Reason I ask was I was reading an interview - John McGahern by Eamon Maher in Studies 2001

I live beside the border and I have a cousin who was a diocesan examiner and he tells me that to examine religious doctrine in the schools when you go 6-7 miles across the border, Catholicism is 40-50 years back in the North of Ireland. He was talking about 15 years ago.
 

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Communion on the tongue is part of the Latin Mass according to the 1962 Missal. That is usually explained when people may not know. In the new Mass there is more variety and that suits some people. I'm a 1962 Missal man myself and it was a long hard struggle to win the right to use that rite. So people can be very protective of it.

WyldeOne

We were all surprised at the level of...I almost want to say aggressiveness but that's not quite it...I guess there is just a lack of humor, humanity, and gentleness in comparison to our home church.
It is a real pity you got that impression and perhaps the situation could have been explained more fully to you at the outset. Most people intend on offence when they expect communion in the hand. It's simply what they got used to while the old Mass was suppressed. But some are aggressive and trying to make trouble. I expect it will settle down as people get used to the differences.
 

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Dont know about the North but I can sypathise with the US poster re Lanesboro.I went to school there briefly,albeit on the Roscommon side of the river.Not much has changed there in 50 years by the sound of it.

Whereas here in Munster,well- lads in tracksuits and girls with fake tan at Confirmation.The papparazzi ordering the bishop around afterwards,mobile phones erupting into life!
 

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I can understand it's disturbing that there was scuffling and that the host fell to the ground - but can someone explain the significance of the host being placed in the hand rather than the mouth please ?

Massgoer in Eucharist incident restrained
The main question was just being a disrepectful jerk. There was no reason for him to attend a Latin Mass. Its the tradition in the Latin to recieve the host on the tongue. Surely the man should have know this.
 

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Four years ago in Lanesboro, County Longford.
Strange. I guess it was an individual priest or Eurchaistic minister. Never heard of that in Longford before.
 

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Fighting over a piece of bread which they think is the body of their God whose message was "love thy neighbour as thyself".

Ain't religion great.

P.
 

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In my younger years when I was still forced to go mass, I must have only been twelve, one day after I took it in my hand I went to turn away as I raised to put it in my mouth and some auld fella grabbed meand spun me back around to make sure I did put it in my mouth...there a queer old bunch..
 


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