India-China border standoff

Dame_Enda

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China is demanding India withdraw troops from a disputed border region.

.....Indian officials say about 300 soldiers from either side are facing each other about 150 meters (yards) apart on the plateau.

They have told Reuters that both sides' diplomats have quietly engaged to try to keep the stand-off from escalating, and that India's ambassador to Beijing is leading the effort to find a way for both sides to back down without loss of face.

Chinese state media have warned India of a fate worse than the defeat it suffered in a brief border war in 1962. China's military has held live fire drills close to the disputed area, they said last month....
Who will blink first?
 


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Chinese are kinda blinking already.

India wins this one.

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The Chinese are still spoofing but they do seem to be wanting to de-escalate things.

"Officials here [New Delhi] have refused to be baited by China's high-pitched rhetoric — something which they attribute to Beijing's necessity to condition the country for a de-escalation, lest they appear to have blinked in a military face-off in the lead-up to the crucial 19th Congress of the Chinese Communist Party scheduled in October. "

india china dispute: China talks tough, but hope of Doklam thaw | India News - Times of India

They're already picking fights with all and sundry in the South China Sea. And relations with South Korea and Japan aren't brilliant. How many enemies does Beijing want?

They'd be better off dealing with that fat little runt in Pyongyang.
 

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All mixed up with higher level regional politics around the One Belt, One Road Chinese strategy.

Pakistan is supportive of involvement with the Chinese OBOR push which means Modi in India stands off it.

India is concerned about China's growing regional influence with infrastructure finance and major projects coming down the road. There is a process in disputed regions which is likely to provide a way to de-escalate the issue and neither Beijing nor Delhi will want ammunition being swapped at high speed in the disputed regions so I think it is likely that a face-saving arrangement will emerge.

With the US going down the geopolitical withdrawal path India will be tested in its resolve to resist Chinese expansionism in the region. It will be interesting to see whether the Chinese and Indians find some accomodation or whether India finds itself somewhat isolated in resisting Chinese geopolitical pressure.
 

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That is pretty much the point of OBOR. In the same way that various free trade agreements pushed by the US down the years have benefited the US primarily.

OBOR is an extension of Chinese soft-power in economic terms. By investing in Pakistan's infrastructure they gain power in Pakistan and as India's policy towards Pakistan has been to isolate it as much as possible the Indians don't like it.

India has a problem. It is seen by China as the main obstacle in the region in the way of Chinese domination via infrastructure investment. India has a choice. It can either get on board with OBOR or it may find itself ringed by Chinese satellite states eventually.
 

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They will not find the Indians as easy a push over as the Tibetans.
 

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China fears India and wants to surround India as much as possible with Chinese allies. The China-Pakistan friendship thing is really taking off now - at least in the economic sense but the Pakistanis are discovering that that nice road is benefiting China a lot more than Pakistan.

Chinese exports to Pakistan have jumped 30% in 6 months. Pakistani exports to China have fallen 8%.

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Pakistan's leading daily criticizes China-Pakistan Economic Corridor | Business Standard News
All the commie leftie green Trump haters on here love China where the people are 2 nd class and hate America where people are free
 

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All the commie leftie green Trump haters on here love China where the people are 2 nd class and hate America where people are free
Well thanks for that incisive insight into global geopolitics.
 

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That is pretty much the point of OBOR. In the same way that various free trade agreements pushed by the US down the years have benefited the US primarily.

OBOR is an extension of Chinese soft-power in economic terms. By investing in Pakistan's infrastructure they gain power in Pakistan and as India's policy towards Pakistan has been to isolate it as much as possible the Indians don't like it.

India has a problem. It is seen by China as the main obstacle in the region in the way of Chinese domination via infrastructure investment. India has a choice. It can either get on board with OBOR or it may find itself ringed by Chinese satellite states eventually.
There's nothing morally wrong with what the Chinese are doing in (to?) Pakistan. It's nothing that the Yanks and Europeans have done. However, they're even worse at covering up the naked motivation - hence the resentment in Pakistan.

There were similar experiences in Africa. The Chinese steamed in flashing renminbi and plans for roads and railways. The locals quickly realized that the plans just involved roads and railways from the copper mines to the nearest port. Oh, and they got some nice shopping centres full of Chinese imports.

Even the labour used to do the building was Chinese. Cue a huge rise in anti-Chinese feeling and a number of violent incidents. I'm not sure that counts as soft power and given how poorly the Chinese handle relations with the waiguoren, I doubt that the Indians will be that worried.
 

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All the commie leftie green Trump haters on here love China where the people are 2 nd class and hate America where people are free
China has gone full revert. The colonized have become the colonizers.
 

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All the commie leftie green Trump haters on here love China where the people are 2 nd class and hate America where people are free
Well that's one for the Venn diagram enthusiasts, I wonder just a how big a patch of parchment such a cohort covers.
 

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The Chinese whupped the ass of the Indians before.

But I sincerely hope it does not come to that this time.
 

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Both China and India are building themselves up as economic superpowers, just on the surface we can see that China has Volvo and India Jaguar Landrover. Sticking with machinery, China has also set about attracting foreign investment, big names have got plants out there, Massey Ferguson (AGCO) and Caterpillar being two examples. India seems to have been left behind and has tended to rely on home grown corporations or old associations, Tata and Cummins Engines falling into these categories. China, has also got something of a reputation for 'borrowing' ideas and technologies from the west, not so much India. I would repeat that this is a very superficial view but nonetheless, should tensions escalate then corporate money might decide that cheap labour may not be quite so attractive as it once appeared and some production could be moved back to the west. Neither would want that.
 
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China has gone full revert. The colonized have become the colonizers.
Tian xia is likely a somewhat better description of what the Chinese are attempting to establish instead of colonization and colonies.
 

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All the commie leftie green Trump haters on here love China where the people are 2 nd class and hate America where people are free
Been to China have we ? even own a passport , probably not , the majority of Trump supporters do not
 

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China has gone full revert. The colonized have become the colonizers.
:rolleyes:

The People's Republic of China isn't colonizing anyone and they tend to have far more ethical business practices in Africa to Westerners which is why contrary to all the propaganda Africans increasingly want to deal with them and not the West.
 


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