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Inner City Enclaves- Council Housing is lunacy


cyberianpan

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A bunch of gurrier tennants are attempting a land grab:

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120 council tenants in Dublin have been refused permission to buy their homes from Dublin City Council.

They had stood to make a profit of nearly €350,000 each.
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The apartments are at O'Rahilly House in Ringsend.

The tenants are expected to appeal to the Supreme Court.

Is it not enough that they are housed virtually for free, use valuable city centre land, drag down the value of surrounding properties ? Now the thieving class is back to its old tricks.

All around it would be far better if these non-working indigents were transplanted to cheaper green-field blocks. This would free up valuable inner city space for people that work & create tax revenue. This would lift the overall country further.

In times of economic depression & high unemployment this wasn't such an issue, indeed the cost of building was higher in Dublin city centre in the '80s than the cost of land ! Now with workers tending young familes spending 3 hours per day commuting whilst the lazy lords live in high value city centre dwellings it is extremely unfair.

cYp
 

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cyberianpan said:
Is it not enough that they are housed virtually for free, use valuable city centre land, drag down the value of surrounding properties ? Now the thieving class is back to its old tricks.

All around it would be far better if these non-working indigents were transplanted to cheaper green-field blocks. This would free up valuable inner city space for people that work & create tax revenue. This would lift the overall country further.
cYp
These houses were built in the 1950's. At the time they were very necessary to house the urban poor. Your solution has already been tried. Have you heard of Ballymun or West Tallaght? btw I reckon about 80% of people in this area do work and do create tax revenue. I'll wait for the census to prove that particular point. Your post is like something from a 1980's Thatcherite Manifesto so beautifully applied through London Docklands Development Corporation; a failed corrupt strategy.

In this case, they should be allowed buy their flats at current market price for that type of property in Dublin 2. It wasn't long ago that free marketeers like yourself were pushing sitting council tenants into buying their houses to increase home ownership.
 

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alonso said:
cyberianpan said:
Is it not enough that they are housed virtually for free, use valuable city centre land, drag down the value of surrounding properties ? Now the thieving class is back to its old tricks.

All around it would be far better if these non-working indigents were transplanted to cheaper green-field blocks. This would free up valuable inner city space for people that work & create tax revenue. This would lift the overall country further.
cYp
These houses were built in the 1950's. At the time they were very necessary to house the urban poor. Your solution has already been tried. Have you heard of Ballymun or West Tallaght? btw I reckon about 80% of people in this area do work and do create tax revenue. I'll wait for the census to prove that particular point. Your post is like something from a 1980's Thatcherite Manifesto so beautifully applied through London Docklands Development Corporation; a failed corrupt strategy.

In this case, they should be allowed buy their flats at current market price for that type of property in Dublin 2. It wasn't long ago that free marketeers like yourself were pushing sitting council tenants into buying their houses to increase home ownership.

Don't often agree with you Alonso but good points.

(Will still be picketting Croker next month all the same :wink: )
 

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alonso said:
In this case, they should be allowed buy their flats at current market price
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That's what they're trying to avoid.

alonso said:
It wasn't long ago that free marketeers like yourself were pushing sitting council tenants into buying their houses to increase home ownership.
Are you trying to associate me with what you state to be other people's positions ?

My point is say the enclave around Cuffe Street, those flats do not look like they house workers. They were built so as not to have to transplant the natives. Now, within 5 minute walk of Grafton St is an area people are afraid to walk in. These people should be removed to a cheaper area where they'd get higher quality housing. When they were needy the workers provided for them, now the workers are getting scr3wed, Dublin is congested & these ungreatful miscreants are trying to cash in.


cYp
 

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cyberianpan said:
That's what they're trying to avoid.

Are you trying to associate me with what you state to be other people's positions ?

My point is say the enclave around Cuffe Street, those flats do not look like they house workers. They were built so as not to have to transplant the natives. Now, within 5 minute walk of Grafton St is an area people are afraid to walk in. These people should be removed to a cheaper area where they'd get higher quality housing. When they were needy the workers provided for them, now the workers are getting scr3wed, Dublin is congested & these ungreatful miscreants are trying to cash in.

cYp
Firstly yes I agree that they are trying to avoid something, that's why I said "market price". Not sure how the legislation works in this regard, but I assume it's messy. Your position is very similar to those adopted in 1980's Thatcher's Britain. Their urban renewal policies were nothing more than "fck the poor out. bring the rich in" You are espousing similar "virtues" here. It also happened in Dublin, but I think today, the community in the Docklands has a bit more say, not that everything is listened to of course.

those flats do not look like they house workers
You seem to define workers as "white collar professionals". Most people living in innercity flats or houses are blue collar employees, therefore workers. They were born there and have a right to live, and eventually die there if they so choose. I don't know why you have a problem with public housing in good areas. I'm in Blackrock close about 5 or 6 large Council estates housing thousands of workers. It leads to a diverse community, which to me is far more attractive and vibrant than say the area around Merrion Avenue or old Foxrock

Now, within 5 minute walk of Grafton St is an area people are afraid to walk in.
That's just nonsense.' I walk down Cuffe Street all the time, after dark as well, on the way to Wexford Street. Mercer street and the flats there are a bit rough lookin I admit. But I'd rather have inner city streets some perceive as dodgy than gated communities no-one is allowed to perceive as anything, coz they can't get in.

These people should be removed to a cheaper area where they'd get higher quality housing
The Iron Lady would be proud that her policies have found such favour in you. I think what you;re saying is truly awful to hear in this day and age. You're treating inner city communities as an obstruction to progress. Do you want the entire area between the canals to look like Mayor street? have you no respect for Dubliners? Do you like the city?
 

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The knackerbeasts should be rehoused in the suburbs, that'd be a huge boost to the economy

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See no problem with it provided that there is a 90% clawback on any gain made on resale for 20 years.

The condition based on property not ownership so you buy for €60k and then sell on for €65k and then new owner sells for €400k then clawback still applies.

Also a nice way to control what is happening is City council to have what is called a 1 metre strip round the whole building. Uk councils do this all the time and they then control whats happening on the site.
 

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Free houses paid for by others to be given to tenants who pay nothing and sold off by the tenant for massive free money? now suck the p iss out of my **** and spray me with it if that is the economics lesson for today, this place is getting more like the UK everyday.
 

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Well there might be a basis in landlord and tenant law.
If someone has a monthly tenancy and lives there for five years, he has rights (or used to)
to a lease at 10% below full rental value for the next five years.
Was this the housing act of 1966 as ammended? too far back I can't remember.
But it was extended to those on a weekly tenancy.
If they had been there for 20 years? 30 years? they also had rights to a lease renewal at below full rental value.

So if these Ringsend residents have been living there since the 1950s... they have rights
of some sort... these Acts get ammended now and again.
 

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Scum. Kick them out after demanding more rent for the working man - aka taxpayer. Why should anyone get a free house as payment for doing nothing?

Oh this is from 2007. So I take it the scum didn't get what they wanted? Happy days.
 

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That's what they're trying to avoid.



Are you trying to associate me with what you state to be other people's positions ?

My point is say the enclave around Cuffe Street, those flats do not look like they house workers. They were built so as not to have to transplant the natives. Now, within 5 minute walk of Grafton St is an area people are afraid to walk in. These people should be removed to a cheaper area where they'd get higher quality housing. When they were needy the workers provided for them, now the workers are getting scr3wed, Dublin is congested & these ungreatful miscreants are trying to cash in.


cYp

How about the law of the land be applied and come down hard on anti-social/criminal activity. The State allows criminality.
 

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A bunch of gurrier tennants are attempting a land grab:




Is it not enough that they are housed virtually for free, use valuable city centre land, drag down the value of surrounding properties ? Now the thieving class is back to its old tricks.

All around it would be far better if these non-working indigents were transplanted to cheaper green-field blocks. This would free up valuable inner city space for people that work & create tax revenue. This would lift the overall country further.

In times of economic depression & high unemployment this wasn't such an issue, indeed the cost of building was higher in Dublin city centre in the '80s than the cost of land ! Now with workers tending young familes spending 3 hours per day commuting whilst the lazy lords live in high value city centre dwellings it is extremely unfair.

cYp
A question I would always like to ask in these situations is how are the tenants able to afford to buy their council house or flat when they are "too poor" to pay their own rent, medical expenses, bus ticket, house repairs etc. etc.
 

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A bunch of gurrier tennants are attempting a land grab:




Is it not enough that they are housed virtually for free, use valuable city centre land, drag down the value of surrounding properties ? Now the thieving class is back to its old tricks.

All around it would be far better if these non-working indigents were transplanted to cheaper green-field blocks. This would free up valuable inner city space for people that work & create tax revenue. This would lift the overall country further.

In times of economic depression & high unemployment this wasn't such an issue, indeed the cost of building was higher in Dublin city centre in the '80s than the cost of land ! Now with workers tending young familes spending 3 hours per day commuting whilst the lazy lords live in high value city centre dwellings it is extremely unfair.

cYp
Go on daft/myhome and marvel at the amount of former council estates where houses are being sold for greater than 300k; some even greater than 400k

That horse has bolted

Dublin has some god awful low quality housing stock all being swapped for crazy money..

For instance; 350k for 3 bed 1 bath mid terrace former council house in Sallynoggin
 

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A question I would always like to ask in these situations is how are the tenants able to afford to buy their council house or flat when they are "too poor" to pay their own rent, medical expenses, bus ticket, house repairs etc. etc.
It does seem like an obvious question in need of an answer
 

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Go on daft/myhome and marvel at the amount of former council estates where houses are being sold for greater than 300k; some even greater than 400k

That horse has bolted

Dublin has some god awful low quality housing stock all being swapped for crazy money..

For instance; 350k for 3 bed 1 bath mid terrace former council house in Sallynoggin
To be fair "the Noggin" has settled down in recent decades and is very stable now. Those houses look very ugly on the outside but are very nice inside and were built with the best materials. Sallynoggin is an example of how a rehoused community can make the best of a situation and keep the community spirit alive. This makes me unwilling to listen to the whinging from other rehoused communities.
 

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To be fair "the Noggin" has settled down in recent decades and is very stable now. Those houses look very ugly on the outside but are very nice inside and were built with the best materials. Sallynoggin is an example of how a rehoused community can make the best of a situation and keep the community spirit alive. This makes me unwilling to listen to the whinging from other rehoused communities.
Sure and I'd agree about Sallynoggin but 350k is simply outrageous... and just shows that nothing has been learned in the last 5 years
 

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Oh dear

A lot of pure crap being expressed in this thread, pathetic stuff really.
Not much in the way of reasoned opinion about here.

With such limited views abound its quite understandable that this country is so messed up.
 
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