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Insanity from the ECHR Re: Abu Qatada


Clanrickard

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Britain: Muslim cleric receives court compensation - Adnkronos Security

He has been awarded 3600 euro for having his human rights breached. This piece of human excrement is the spiritual leader of AL Qaeda in Europe and this is the European Court of Human Rights answer to kicking him out. A good reason to pull out of this farce of a kangaroo court. I suggest putting him in the furthermost island of the Outer Hebrides and leaving him there.
 

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Funny that.

It turns out that when EU Human Rights law says no-one should suffer inprisonment without charge and trial, they actually mean no-one. Even people we don't like.

Madness, eh?


Er, why don't they like him?
 

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Funny that.

It turns out that when EU Human Rights law says no-one should suffer inprisonment without charge and trial, they actually mean no-one. Even people we don't like.

Madness, eh?

Hear hear.
 

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Scum of the earth. When is any legal or civil entity of any description going to stand up to Islamic scum in Europe? What we need is a Thai or chinese take no sh1t military corps to be set up in Europe to deal with militant Islamists.
 

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Britain: Muslim cleric receives court compensation - Adnkronos Security

He has been awarded 3600 euro for having his human rights breached. This piece of human excrement is the spiritual leader of AL Qaeda in Europe and this is the European Court of Human Rights answer to kicking him out. A good reason to pull out of this farce of a kangaroo court. I suggest putting him in the furthermost island of the Outer Hebrides and leaving him there.
It was not a decision in answer to kicking him out. It was a decision about him being detained indefinitely without trial or benefit of due course of law. You might also like to know that the House of Lords also struck down the relevant legislation before the ECtHR became involved.
 

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It was not a decision in answer to kicking him out. It was a decision about him being detained indefinitely without trial or benefit of due course of law. You might also like to know that the House of Lords also struck down the relevant legislation before the ECtHR became involved.
You know it is funny. During WW2 Nazis could and were detained for as long as necessary because they were dedicated to the destruction of the UK and other free nations. What is the difference between this tapeworm and them? He thinks the UK should "revert" to Sharia. He glorifies in the death of British soldiers. He gloats on Al Qaeda terrorism and thinks homosexuals and Jews should be put to death or "cured" of their afflictions. What do the Brits do? Leave him go free to spread hate and vitriol and recruit for Al Qaeda or lock him up? This isn't a case of locking up people we don't like. It's locking up for as long as it takes people who'll happily slit our throats and take civilised nations back to the dark ages given half a chance.
 

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You know it is funny. During WW2 Nazis could and were detained for as long as necessary because they were dedicated to the destruction of the UK and other free nations. What is the difference between this tapeworm and them? He thinks the UK should "revert" to Sharia. He glorifies in the death of British soldiers. He gloats on Al Qaeda terrorism and thinks homosexuals and Jews should be put to death or "cured" of their afflictions. What do the Brits do? Leave him go free to spread hate and vitriol and recruit for Al Qaeda or lock him up? This isn't a case of locking up people we don't like. It's locking up for as long as it takes people who'll happily slit our throats and take civilised nations back to the dark ages given half a chance.
I don't disagree that he is excrement. The point being you just cant lock up people without trial for an indefinite period. You either charge convict and sentence him or feck him out of the country or impose some sort of gagging order. Anything determinative and within the law.
 

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I don't disagree that he is excrement. The point being you just cant lock up people without trial for an indefinite period. You either charge convict and sentence him or feck him out of the country or impose some sort of gagging order. Anything determinative and within the law.
I agree. But why pay this fella money? Surely a "don't do it again" to the British government would be enough.
 

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I suggest putting him in the furthermost island of the Outer Hebrides and leaving him there.
That would be St Kilda, I would disagree, the Island is the home to millions of Gannets, Fulmars and puffins and a semi-retired, firebrand muslim Cleric could eke out quite a comfortable little life for himself what with the stomach oils and selling feathers to the British Army. Might be more sensible for him just to be deported to Jordan from whence he came on a false passport.
 

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I agree. But why pay this fella money? Surely a "don't do it again" to the British government would be enough.
It was only a token amount compared to the millions you would get in Ireland for something comparable. The ECtHR traditionally do not give large payouts. It really is more of a "don't do it again" thing.
 

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That would be St Kilda, I would disagree, the Island is the home to millions of Gannets, Fulmars and puffins and a semi-retired, firebrand muslim Cleric could eke out quite a comfortable little life for himself what with the stomach oils and selling feathers to the British Army. Might be more sensible for him just to be deported to Jordan from whence he came on a false passport.
Yes those poor birds you are right.
 

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The problem is that neither side in this case is trustworthy, Jordan is hardly the sort of place were they wait until they have reliable evidence before they convict - and i could hardly trust Western Intelligence agencies either, these act outside of all parameters of law and with a free hand. On the other hand he himself is a real extremist, calling for people to be murdered because they gave perceived religious offence. Obviously it would have been better if he had never been allowed in - in the first place.

That would be St Kilda, I would disagree, the Island is the home to millions of Gannets, Fulmars and puffins and a semi-retired, firebrand muslim Cleric could eke out quite a comfortable little life for himself what with the stomach oils and selling feathers to the British Army.
Not to mention the fact that Scottish Islands have a history of promoting the prosperity of religious communities, Iona being the famous example... We could go back after a decade or so and he could have opened up an entire Islamic missionary school - ready to export to all of Europe. ;)
 

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The problem is that neither side in this case is trustworthy, Jordan is hardly the sort of place were they wait until they have reliable evidence before they convict - and i could hardly trust Western Intelligence agencies either, these act outside of all parameters of law and with a free hand. On the other hand he himself is a real extremist, calling for people to be murdered because they gave perceived religious offence. Obviously it would have been better if he had never been allowed in - in the first place.



Not to mention the fact that Scottish Islands have a history of promoting the prosperity of religious communities, Iona being the famous example... We could go back after a decade or so and he could have opened up an entire Islamic missionary school - ready to export to all of Europe. ;)
No doubt with their lil heads still buzzing and ringing with studies such as this

 

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No doubt with their lil heads still buzzing and ringing with studies such as this
Don't make too many assumptions! In the 6thC A.D St Columba fought a holy war in Ireland with another saint over a holy book, the battle of Cúl Dreimhne - before becoming ashamed and agreeing to a self imposed exile on the Scottish island of Iona. He was a bit of a Jihadi anyway ;), bless him. Iona seems to have tamed him to a degree and refocused his passions to less... bloody endeavors. Of course it should be said that he himself repented of the bloodshed, makes you wonder about the claim sometimes made that we live in a more enlightened, less violent age.
 
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Don't make too many assumptions! In the 6thC A.D St Columba fought a holy war in Ireland with another saint over a holy book, the battle of Cúl Dreimhne - before becoming ashamed and agreeing to a self imposed exile on the Scottish island of Iona. He was a bit of a Jihadi anyway ;), bless him. Iona seems to have tamed him to a degree and refocused his passions to less... bloody endeavors. Of course it should be said that he himself repented of the bloodshed, makes you wonder about the claim sometimes made that we live in a more enlightened, less violent age.


Er, check your calender. :rolleyes:
 

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Seabhcan, contrary to your post the ECHR is not an EU institution - the ECJ is. It's incredible how many people still don't realise this. But fear not - if Lisbon passes you're beloved ECHR will become - as well as the Charter - part of EU law. Then, we'll be trapped in an outdated convention where such rulings will supersede the Irish Constitution. Given the strange alliance of the Irish Left and Islamic radicalism, that will no doubt bring a ray of sunlight to your heart. :roll:
 
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