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antiestablishmentarian

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Hmmm.

So you want only ethnic Irish.

Interesting.

At what point in time would you consider Ireland to have been purely Irish?

After independance?

After the famine?

After the plantation?

After the Norman invasion?

After the Viking invasions?

After a bunch of Gaulic-Roman upper class twits and a Roman called Patrick came to Ireland around 450AD fleeing Atilla on his rampage through Gaul?

After Celtic migration around 800BC or 500BC?

Before 1000BC?

Before 2000BC?

Before 3000BC

Before 4000BC?

Before 5000BC?

Before 8000BC?

Before 11000BC?

Before 20000BC?

The reason I ask is this.

I have a few friends back in biomedical sciences whom I mathmatically model biomolecular systems (Bioinformatics contract)for on contract. I am sure I can talk one of them in to taking about 200ml of your blood for extreme in depth analysis. A lot more than the average sample, but I would prefer to repeat all analysis in depth, so as to ensure accuracy. I would love to take a look not only at your X and Y chromosones in an in depth manner, but would wander around the rest of your chromosones looking for anything interesting.

I am sure that if I did analysis of your genetic make up that no English, French, German, Dutch, Baltic, Scandinavian, Meditteranean, Middle Eastern or African DNA would be found.

The only problem with that is this. You see, after 1000 years, that Viking DNA alone would have spread in a very diluted form around most of the Irish population. The earlier Celtic traders who settled here will have there DNA in everyone.

If you don't have any of that DNA, you most likely will not be human and most likely be from another species, as all humans can trace there genetic heritage back to black people from Africa.

Would you be willing to subject yourself for genetic analysis to prove your PURITY?

PS: I suggest you read the book of Invasions. All Irish people know of that book and have at least some sort of passing familiarity with what it is about. That is why I find what you say suprising.

Are you actually Irish?
In his post, he said al immigrants starting from those who arrived 20 years ago. In other words, when people who were not white European began to arrive in any numbers. So he's basically calling for all non-white immigrants to leave on the basis of multi-culturalism, which he apparently confuses with multi-racialism.
 


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In his post, he said al immigrants starting from those who arrived 20 years ago. In other words, when people who were not white European began to arrive in any numbers. So he's basically calling for all non-white immigrants to leave on the basis of multi-culturalism, which he apparently confuses with multi-racialism.
Actually he mentions Eastern Europeans who are predominately white.
 

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Lord Muck Savage said:
So, the White indigenous population are not allowed any say on the matter? The Black man must be appeased at all costs.
What a treacherous, loathsome individual you are?
They have their say in the matter, they vote for parties who support the current immigration policies of the state. Get over it.
There is no party to vote for.
If any of the major parties break the PC ranks on this issue their support will increase significantly over night.
 

Co Rivan

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Hmmm.

So you want only ethnic Irish.

Interesting.

At what point in time would you consider Ireland to have been purely Irish?

After independance?

After the famine?

After the plantation?

After the Norman invasion?

After the Viking invasions?

After a bunch of Gaulic-Roman upper class twits and a Roman called Patrick came to Ireland around 450AD fleeing Atilla on his rampage through Gaul?

After Celtic migration around 800BC or 500BC?

Before 1000BC?

Before 2000BC?

Before 3000BC

Before 4000BC?

Before 5000BC?

Before 8000BC?

Before 11000BC?

Before 20000BC?

The reason I ask is this.

I have a few friends back in biomedical sciences whom I mathmatically model biomolecular systems (Bioinformatics contract)for on contract. I am sure I can talk one of them in to taking about 200ml of your blood for extreme in depth analysis. A lot more than the average sample, but I would prefer to repeat all analysis in depth, so as to ensure accuracy. I would love to take a look not only at your X and Y chromosones in an in depth manner, but would wander around the rest of your chromosones looking for anything interesting.

I am sure that if I did analysis of your genetic make up that no English, French, German, Dutch, Baltic, Scandinavian, Meditteranean, Middle Eastern or African DNA would be found.

The only problem with that is this. You see, after 1000 years, that Viking DNA alone would have spread in a very diluted form around most of the Irish population. The earlier Celtic traders who settled here will have there DNA in everyone.

If you don't have any of that DNA, you most likely will not be human and most likely be from another species, as all humans can trace there genetic heritage back to black people from Africa.

Would you be willing to subject yourself for genetic analysis to prove your PURITY?

PS: I suggest you read the book of Invasions. All Irish people know of that book and have at least some sort of passing familiarity with what it is about. That is why I find what you say suprising.

Are you actually Irish?

You're quite a strange poster you know that?
You've made some,let's say interesting comments about certain nationalities and yet you trot out the PC line in alot of cases too.
 

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There is no party to vote for.
If any of the major parties break the PC ranks on this issue their support will increase significantly over night.
If they thought they'd pick up votes for it, most of the mainstream parties would go for that angle. As it is, groups like the ICP were always whacked by the electorate, even mainstream councillors like Jim Long (FG) in Limerick who raised immigration saw their votes fall. There's no popular support for any anti-immigration party, the strong recent showing of the left and Labour should be evidence of that. That appetite is likely to decrease as well, given the fact that hundreds of thousands of economic migrants are returning home.
 

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The only solution for a better more inclusive Ireland is an ireland made up of entirely ethnic irish people.

All Immigrants that came here over the last 20 years or so should be deported or repatriated to their own countries.

I personally would have no problem having a cuppa or whatever with a foreign national but I believe in an ireland made up of native ethnic irish people . I don't want to live in a multi cultural society which my government in co-operation with the EU are forcing upon me.

I do believe in faith based schools but only christian ones, I dont want islam in Ireland as i see it as a backward Regressive religion that feeds off the domination and control of women and the control of peoples lives through fear.

deport all the roma gypsies , all the muslims , all the eastern europeans and all the africans and lets have our Nation back before its destroyed like over seas in the UK.
Please God Sir I hope your breed will soon die out.

This country is my country as much as it is anyone elses, I have a Irish passport and every legal right to be here.

God gave the Earth to all men and Ireland has no ethnic people, we are all Gods people and I pray for poor lost souls like you Sir.
 

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Please God Sir I hope your breed will soon die out.

This country is my country as much as it is anyone elses, I have a Irish passport and every legal right to be here.

God gave the Earth to all men and Ireland has no ethnic people, we are all Gods people and I pray for poor lost souls like you Sir.
I disagree with your statement that there are no ethnic Irish. There are in the same way that each area of the world has ethnic people before the age of mass travel via planes and ships began. The ethnic Irish all have ancestors who fought and died for the country you are now a citizen of, and even though English people lived here for centuries as occupiers and were born here they were never Irish either. Just because you are here now legally does not make you Irish either. You are only a citizen and not an Irish person unless at least half your relatives are Irish. Irish being white, and with at least half your ancestors can be traced back at least three generations or more in this state and are Irish people which being they are a mix of Norman, Celtic, Anglo and Viking ancestry. They are not eastern European, Asian, African or other. And we are not going back to the dawn of civilisation to prove otherwise as no nations existed then. Irish people fought and died for 800 years for this country and any foreigner who is granted the privilege of citizenship should respect that this is Irish peoples country and be grateful for being allowed to stay here, and should integrate into our culture, not try to establish ghettoes and other cultures. There is a high level of arrogance among some foreigners which is not respectful to the ethnic Irish who allow them to stay here. If they don't want to accept the facts that this is our country not theirs and they are only guests they should never have applied to come here.
 

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Please God Sir I hope your breed will soon die out.

This country is my country as much as it is anyone elses, I have a Irish passport and every legal right to be here.

God gave the Earth to all men and Ireland has no ethnic people, we are all Gods people and I pray for poor lost souls like you Sir.


You may have an Irish passport but you don't seem to have any loyalty to Ireland.

This is what you wrote on another thread-
goolast said:
I welcome the day Ireland only flies the EU flag.

That's a good one alright.You come here,get citizenship,and then openly proclaim that you want Ireland to lose its sovereignty.

Did you have to make an oath of allegiance to get citizenship?
Did you have to give up your old citizenship?
 

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I sometimes feel sorry for people like you that have to live confused lives racked by bitterness and hate.
I always feel sorry for them - until they start trying to alleviate it in themselves by spreading it around and making others hate too, just so they can feel less lonely.
 

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You're quite a strange poster you know that?
You've made some,let's say interesting comments about certain nationalities and yet you trot out the PC line in alot of cases too.
Why is that strange?

You yourself trot out the racism-behind-a-cardboard-mask-of-concern line quite shamelessly with no intelligent content, yet get all dandered if queried.

Nemesiscorp uses fact, logic and rationalism - is that such a strange idea to you?

Oh wait!!

Silly me!!
 

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I disagree with your statement that there are no ethnic Irish. There are in the same way that each area of the world has ethnic people before the age of mass travel via planes and ships began. The ethnic Irish all have ancestors who fought and died for the country you are now a citizen of, and even though English people lived here for centuries as occupiers and were born here they were never Irish either. Just because you are here now legally does not make you Irish either. You are only a citizen and not an Irish person unless at least half your relatives are Irish. Irish being white, and with at least half your ancestors can be traced back at least three generations or more in this state and are Irish people which being they are a mix of Norman, Celtic, Anglo and Viking ancestry. They are not eastern European, Asian, African or other. And we are not going back to the dawn of civilisation to prove otherwise as no nations existed then. Irish people fought and died for 800 years for this country and any foreigner who is granted the privilege of citizenship should respect that this is Irish peoples country and be grateful for being allowed to stay here, and should integrate into our culture, not try to establish ghettoes and other cultures. There is a high level of arrogance among some foreigners which is not respectful to the ethnic Irish who allow them to stay here. If they don't want to accept the facts that this is our country not theirs and they are only guests they should never have applied to come here.
Sonny Jim, this is insane and self-contradictory effing gibberish by even the most lax standards of rationality.

And I speak as one who satisfies every single one of your mad w@anky definitions of Irishness, and then some.
 

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Just a question, who are the ethnic Irish? How do you define them, and what differentiates them from other groups?
To judge by those who raise the subject the "ethnic Irish" are some imaginary group which includes (just to start with) absolutely no Viking, Norman, French, Dutch or Anglo-Saxon blood. I guess if you take it a bit further back and wider it would include no Celtic or Tuatha Dé Danann blood.

Then, beyond the major influxes (which would of course over time include Jews though for obvious reasons they're harder to pin down in national-origin terms), there's various minor or even individual contributions from a variety of peoples of an enormous range of skin colours and ethnicties, etc etc etc.

So off the top of my head I'd have to suggest that the "ethnic Irish" are folks who can prove that none of their ancestors for - what? - 3000 years or so have had anything even vaguely like a hankering for a "bit of strange" in terms of applying mutual friction, whether willingly or unwillingly, to the relevant orifices or appendages whose ultimate biological functions determine (in so far as it is determinable) ethnicity.

Using those specs, at my age, and given what I've seen of that most baffling of all human activities in my experience - i.e. sexual motivation - I'd have to suspect that the resulting percentage of the population which would qualify as ethically Irish would be... oh, I dunno... hovering about the 0% mark?

Certainly not a lot more, except perhaps for those who can guarantee that their ancestors of both sexes on both sides for several millennia have been absolutely as ugly as a racist's self-image.
 

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Please God Sir I hope your breed will soon die out.

This country is my country as much as it is anyone elses, I have a Irish passport and every legal right to be here.

God gave the Earth to all men and Ireland has no ethnic people, we are all Gods people and I pray for poor lost souls like you Sir.

Religion masquerading itself as humanity all for personal gain of course.

Care to elaborate on your point about welcoming an EU flag flying over Ireland. You have an Irish passport which carries substantial political influence around the world because of people like all four of my grandparents and their kind. Individuals, who collectively with others over a protected period had the self-esteem and ambition to gain independence from the world’s largest imperial power of its time with nothing more than politics, farmer utensils and balls.

People like you give naturalised citizens and immigrants a bad name, once you have what you came for that is all that matters.

We are denying people in Canada and Argentina who have cultural, historical and family connection to his country visas to live and work here, denying the same people from gaining citizenship and their desire to add to the culture of Ireland a culture they are familiar with and appreciate and awarding citizenship to dcikheds like you really shows the farce the immigration policies in Ireland have become. If there was ever a case for mandatory history lessons prior to gaining citizenship your posts provide it.
 

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To judge by those who raise the subject the "ethnic Irish" are some imaginary group which includes (just to start with) absolutely no Viking, Norman, French, Dutch or Anglo-Saxon blood. I guess if you take it a bit further back and wider it would include no Celtic or Tuatha Dé Danann blood.

Then, beyond the major influxes (which would of course over time include Jews though for obvious reasons they're harder to pin down in national-origin terms), there's various minor or even individual contributions from a variety of peoples of an enormous range of skin colours and ethnicties, etc etc etc.

So off the top of my head I'd have to suggest that the "ethnic Irish" are folks who can prove that none of their ancestors for - what? - 3000 years or so have had anything even vaguely like a hankering for a "bit of strange" in terms of applying mutual friction, whether willingly or unwillingly, to the relevant orifices or appendages whose ultimate biological functions determine (in so far as it is determinable) ethnicity.

Using those specs, at my age, and given what I've seen of that most baffling of all human activities in my experience - i.e. sexual motivation - I'd have to suspect that the resulting percentage of the population which would qualify as ethically Irish would be... oh, I dunno... hovering about the 0% mark?

Certainly not a lot more, except perhaps for those who can guarantee that their ancestors of both sexes on both sides for several millennia have been absolutely as ugly as a racist's self-image.
The thing is, Ireland has always been multi-cultural. Vikings, Celts, Normans, Scottish, English, French (huguenots in the 17th and 18th centuries) and others (like for instance the slaves brought here in the 5th century from Wales) have all passed through this country and left their genetic and cultural marks. The majority of Aran Islanders, for instance (and you can't get much more Irish than them) claim descent from Cromwellian soldiers who garrisoned it after the end of the War of the Three Kingdoms. Different languages have been spoken at different times and in different places, like Yola in Wexford, Fingallian in Fingal, French in Waterford, and Latin in the Golden Era monasteries, and there has been constant trade and intercourse with the rest of the world throughout our history. That's why I find this attempt to pigeonhole Irish identity as something ethnic quite amusing- our culture was a mishmash to begin with and has changed continuously down to the present day.
 

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You may have an Irish passport but you don't seem to have any loyalty to Ireland.

This is what you wrote on another thread-



That's a good one alright.You come here,get citizenship,and then openly proclaim that you want Ireland to lose its sovereignty.

Did you have to make an oath of allegiance to get citizenship?
Did you have to give up your old citizenship?
I am Irish, I have a Passport. I can as Irishman hope that one day Ireland flies only the EU flag, because please God that one day we will become a United Europe, and I hope with Gods help that we will see a United World flying the world flag, where people can come and go without racists using silly words such as nationalism and ethnic to dfend the racist attitude.

I thank god I have Irish passport, but as Irishman I now pray to God for Ireland to grow into a united Europe and united World.
 

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There should be no faith-based schools here. The Archbishop of Dublin has made several statements in favour of non-faith based schools and he should be given support.

Separate a kid in school and you'll separate him/her for life.
Most sensible thing I have read in a long time.
 

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4.6 million in the south, 1.8 million in the north. 900,000 unionists - Irish of British ethnicity. No 'lol' about it.
When I said we where a nation less than 4 million people, I was referring to southern Ireland when the first groups of non nationals started arriving here at the beginning of the Celtic tiger. You say we are a nation of 6 million counting northern Ireland. Then you give figures of 4.6million in southern Ireland and 1.8 million in northern Ireland added together that is 6.4 million so our nation according to you has grown 400,000 people between your two posts, and you say there is another couple of million Irish scattered around the place. So where exactly are these millions of irish citizens that you only seem to know about. The 1.8 million people in northern Ireland, 900,000 of them are unionists, so there must be 900,000 nationalists ?
 
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Just a question, who are the ethnic Irish? How do you define them, and what differentiates them from other groups?
to me ethnic irish are native people with a long line of historical and cultural ties to the country , we are an indigenous people that stretch back centuries.

you see from your question you obviously dont believe that ethnicity exists , so therefore from your logic there are no such people as ethnic polish or ethnic nigerian or ethnic indian etc etc etc , so the word should be removed from the dictionary ?

lets be clear , i have no hatred towards anyone , i just believe in a nationhood of ethnic native irish people , the colour of peoples skin doesn't bother me in the slightest , in fact many of them are quite nice people but that doesn't stop me from wanting and believing in a Nation of ethnic irish people.
 

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I am Irish, I have a Passport. I can as Irishman hope that one day Ireland flies only the EU flag, because please God that one day we will become a United Europe, and I hope with Gods help that we will see a United World flying the world flag, where people can come and go without racists using silly words such as nationalism and ethnic to dfend the racist attitude.

I thank god I have Irish passport, but as Irishman I now pray to God for Ireland to grow into a united Europe and united World.
Ah Utopia, it's a grand place to dream about. In reality it just means no effective say in the laws that govern you. Don't say it will work in some way where we are all equal, there will be always some group that will take control.
 


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