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International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women.


Christine Murray

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Today marks the end of the Signature Campaign for the Elimination of Violence
Against Women, I put this thread up to notify P.ie users of the Campaign:

http://www.politics.ie/health-and-social-affairs/31814-link-leads-picture-nicole-kidman.html

The campaign was begun on the foot of comments by Ban Ki-Moon on issues
round the VAW issue, wherein he indicated that the UN would be calling on
National Governments to produce real evidence and measurable reforms
in the areas of education and awareness on the issues. I do not think that
the Irish Government has introduced a single measurable reform in the area
and that is why they were carpetted in Geneva regarding transposing Rights
Laws into Irish law.

The info on the UN campaign is ironically enough on the FGM thread,
where I argued that the right to privacy of the woman was breached
and the problems were substantive because there had been a severe
lack of awareness raised on EU laws regarding Protection in the form
of implementing the 2006 Asylum Qualification Directive.

NGOs such as Amnesty International and Trocaire have done more about
raising awareness on issues of Violence Against Women and Girls and
should be commended for their hard work in these areas. I am referring
specifically to the FGM campaign by Trocaire and the voluntary work
done by the Rape Crisis Centres in supporting victims who have to
go through an Asylum system where funding on Gender Violence
and Unaccompanied Children is as risible as to be practically non-existent.
Ruhama support victims of sex-trafficking and again their work is
privately funded and they are an NGO.

So what has the Irish government Accomplished in Terms of both
raising Awareness; and Reform in the areas of Gender Violence?

And if they were asked to produce evidence of centrally funded education
programmes on these issues , could they indeed do so?

There are currently two Oireachtas Committees on areas around Protection
and Consent , I am looking forward to recommendations that increase
our awareness on the issues of vulnerablity and human rights rather than
some politicised media campaign obfuscating the issues based in
lack of Knowledge of the seriousness of educating kids to their own
safety and rights to education/privacy and bodily integrity.

http:www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=28712&Cr=Violence-against-women&Cr1=
 
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Good work.
 

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I was in Ottowa a few years back and saw a moving monument to women killed in domestic violence and other situations. Very sad and very anger provoking. As a gay man who throughout my childhood and young adulthood has personally suffered totally unprovoked attacks on a good number of occasions I understand quite well the effects of violence. It is about power and very little about losing control. Good work and hope it makes a difference. No one should have to live in fear.
 
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This should be common sense and it shouldn't take a signature on a list to show you are against violence. Statistically many wifebeaters will sign this list at some stage.

I refuse to sign. You don't need a signature for something that should be common sense.
 

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This should be common sense and it shouldn't take a signature on a list to show you are against violence. Statistically many wifebeaters will sign this list at some stage.

I refuse to sign. You don't need a signature for something that should be common sense.
I disagree. (All is right with the world)

If you hold the belief that signatures aren't required for common sense, then how can you be sure that common sense exists?
 

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I get that supermanpolitician

its not specifically about domestic violence but parity of esteem-
that means acknowledging differences in approach to the world and working
on education and empowerment.

I am very concerned in how girls are educated about self-esteem, in
some theocratic socieites they are raped/attacked with acid for
seeking an education. small girls are seen as not requiring education in
their own rights and in using their intellects. This is a problem that
is ignored by many national governments including the Irish one(until
quite recently) where organised groups of Parents opposed the sex education
of girls- having a bit of self-esteem and knowledge is helpful to kids
(both girls and boys).
 

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I disagree. (All is right with the world)

If you hold the belief that signatures aren't required for common sense, then how can you be sure that common sense exists?
I honestly think that the concept of signing against violence is a moot point. Encouraging women to make claims, greater support for victims, greater sentences for those found guilty etc are all necessary. By not signing it, are you assuming that someone is in favour of violence against women?

I think more servere punishment is the way to go for all violent crimes.
 

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I honestly think that the concept of signing against violence is a moot point. Encouraging women to make claims, greater support for victims, greater sentences for those found guilty etc are all necessary. By not signing it, are you assuming that someone is in favour of violence against women?

I think more servere punishment is the way to go for all violent crimes.
again its about education and parity of esteem. and not specifically about
domestic violence. the report looks at forced marriage, forced iVF, FGM,
education of girls, selective abortion and other issues which seem to
stem from a mechanistic approach to Rights.. rather than to gender awareness.
 

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"Violence against women" is a UN/Feminist buzzphrase, a conduit for all sorts of bullcrap feminist political and legal reform.
 

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I honestly think that the concept of signing against violence is a moot point. Encouraging women to make claims, greater support for victims, greater sentences for those found guilty etc are all necessary. By not signing it, are you assuming that someone is in favour of violence against women?

I think more servere punishment is the way to go for all violent crimes.

Yes, and this petition shows they have the support.
 

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electro

I mistakenly took you off my ignore list.. can we deal with the issues
and reduce trolldom?

read the Reports, you may not like the UN - so we can agree to differ
on our opinions, but try and just react to the issues arising (as it were)
 

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I mistakenly took you off my ignore list.. can we deal with the issues
and reduce trolldom?

read the Reports, you may not like the UN - so we can agree to differ
on our opinions, but try and just react to the issues arising (as it were)
Agree. I don't think it should take any international campaign to stop something which is axiomatically wrong. Nobody can tell me that the Taliban's treatment of women stems from their culture and that they do not know it is wrong.
 

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fisk

Agree. I don't think it should take any international campaign to stop something which is axiomatically wrong. Nobody can tell me that the Taliban's treatment of women stems from their culture and that they do not know it is wrong.
Young girls are getting acid thrown at them for seeking education.
it was done by Fisk in one of the Weekend Independents.
But there is a danger of projecting wrongs on other countries while ignoring
the problems that exist in Ireland, Like the controversy over the
Trocaire Awareness Campaign or the mess that is the Asylum system.
 

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I'm sure you'll be glad to hear that you're still on my ignore list, dot.

I would have imagined it's pretty impossible for feminists to "deal with the issues" because of their constant goalpost-shifting and outrageous demands. (E.g. anything women disagree with is "violence against women"; DV reports should be met with warrantless arrest of male "aggressor".)

No I don't like the UN as they are the premier supporter of the above as well as other feminist campaigns including abortion legalisation. More often than not, "violence against women" is just a front for radical feminist theory. After all, I'm pretty sure the phrase itself arose out of radical feminist groups.
 
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"Violence against women" is a UN/Feminist buzzphrase, a conduit for all sorts of bullcrap feminist political and legal reform.
What UN bullcrap in particular?
 

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I'm sure you'll be glad to hear that you're still on my ignore list, dot.

I would have imagined it's pretty impossible for feminists to "deal with the issues" because of their constant goalpost-shifting and outrageous demands. (E.g. anything women disagree with is "violence against women"; DV reports should be met with warrantless arrest of male "aggressor".)

No I don't like the UN as they are the premier supporter of the above as well as other feminist campaigns including abortion legalisation. More often than not, "violence against women" is just a front for radical feminist theory. After all, I'm pretty sure the phrase itself arose out of radical feminist groups.
can't bring myself to ignore you, I think you quite amusing.
How and ever I quite like men and don't really call them aggressors..
but I do have concerns regarding the lack of awareness of the difference
between boys and girls- do you think you may be stereotyping a wee bit?

Violence against women remains endemic, UN expert reports
 

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"Violence against women" is a UN/Feminist buzzphrase, a conduit for all sorts of bullcrap feminist political and legal reform.
What UN bullcrap in particular?
Inflation of facts re violence and pay gaps, campaigns to legalise abortion, allegations of "Patriarchy", general women-firstism.

The UN is a very pro-Feminist/Matriarchy organisation.
 

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Inflation of facts re violence and pay gaps, campaigns to legalise abortion, allegations of "Patriarchy", general women-firstism.

The UN is a very pro-Feminist/Matriarchy organisation.
Any chance of a few facts rather than generalities?
 

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Is their an International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Men?

It might be better if we had a day for the Elimination of Violence against human beings day.
 

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All independent first-world surveys, including one at TCD, show that in cases of domestic violence men and women batter each other in roughly equal measure.
 
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