International Protection Family Reunification Amendment Bill 2017 - Nuts or what?

Catalpast

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The International Protection (Family Reunification) (Amendment) Bill 2017

Yes folks they are off again

The twits in An Seanad have now agreed that rather than need less asylum seekers coming here

- we need more!:shock:

It is supported by several Independents as well as Fianna Fáil, Labour, Sinn Féin and the Green Party.
The Bill paves the way for refugees to bring grandparents, cousins, nephews, nieces and siblings to Ireland by expanding the reunification programme


BUT:
Minister of State for Justice David Stanton told the Seanad on Wednesday the Government was working as hard as it could to improve direct provision.
“The direct provision centres are filling up very fast,’’ he added.
“I am extremely concerned about what will happen in the winter if people arrive here and we have no physical places for them to go.’’
As the committee stage was passed, the Government was defeated by 29 votes to 17.
The Seanad will consider the report and final stages of the Bill next week.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/government-defeated-in-seanad-on-private-member-s-refugee-bill-1.3284829

How on Earth could we possibly ever check the bona fides of these claimants?

What planet do these people live on?:roll:
 


gleeful

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The International Protection (Family Reunification) (Amendment) Bill 2017

Yes folks they are off again

The twits in An Seanad have now agreed that rather than need less asylum seekers coming here

- we need more!:shock:

It is supported by several Independents as well as Fianna Fáil, Labour, Sinn Féin and the Green Party.
The Bill paves the way for refugees to bring grandparents, cousins, nephews, nieces and siblings to Ireland by expanding the reunification programme


BUT:
Minister of State for Justice David Stanton told the Seanad on Wednesday the Government was working as hard as it could to improve direct provision.
“The direct provision centres are filling up very fast,’’ he added.
“I am extremely concerned about what will happen in the winter if people arrive here and we have no physical places for them to go.’’
As the committee stage was passed, the Government was defeated by 29 votes to 17.
The Seanad will consider the report and final stages of the Bill next week.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/government-defeated-in-seanad-on-private-member-s-refugee-bill-1.3284829

How on Earth could we possibly ever check the bona fides of these claimants?

What planet do these people live on?:roll:
This sounds like a requirement under international law. The Dublin agreement has a provision that requires that families be accessed for refugee status in a single country, where possible. I know of a case where a family got split by chance of flights with the wife and kids ending up in London and the Father being refused onto the connecting flight in Dublin. After a year of being apart the courts decided the father should join his family in London, because they had technically applied for asylum there a few minutes before he did the same in Dublin.

It is sensible to process families as a unit.
 

stopdoingstuff

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It's fkng bull************************. These people are determined to turn Ireland into the third world.
 

Catalpast

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The same planet as the people the bill is aimed at I guess
I doubt many or any of these people live anywhere near where these people will be moving to

How and ever all this has to be paid for no matter where you live in this State

- its an extra burden on Irish taxpayers and as the Minister stated the DP centres are filling up fast

- as we already have a huge housing crises

- where exactly are they going to house all these extra numbers of people?

- you are looking at potentially hundreds of thousands of people here from Third World countries

You would want to be a total featherhead to think this is anything other than Looney Tunes politics!:roll:
 

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This sounds like a requirement under international law. The Dublin agreement has a provision that requires that families be accessed for refugee status in a single country, where possible. I know of a case where a family got split by chance of flights with the wife and kids ending up in London and the Father being refused onto the connecting flight in Dublin. After a year of being apart the courts decided the father should join his family in London, because they had technically applied for asylum there a few minutes before he did the same in Dublin.

It is sensible to process families as a unit.
This only opens a whole can of worms and must be halted immediately before this country disappears before our eyes.
 

Catalpast

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This sounds like a requirement under international law. The Dublin agreement has a provision that requires that families be accessed for refugee status in a single country, where possible. I know of a case where a family got split by chance of flights with the wife and kids ending up in London and the Father being refused onto the connecting flight in Dublin. After a year of being apart the courts decided the father should join his family in London, because they had technically applied for asylum there a few minutes before he did the same in Dublin.

It is sensible to process families as a unit.
Sensible!

Are you being serious?
 

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The International Protection (Family Reunification) (Amendment) Bill 2017

Yes folks they are off again

The twits in An Seanad have now agreed that rather than need less asylum seekers coming here

- we need more!:shock:

It is supported by several Independents as well as Fianna Fáil, Labour, Sinn Féin and the Green Party.
The Bill paves the way for refugees to bring grandparents, cousins, nephews, nieces and siblings to Ireland by expanding the reunification programme


BUT:
Minister of State for Justice David Stanton told the Seanad on Wednesday the Government was working as hard as it could to improve direct provision.
The direct provision centres are filling up very fast,’’ he added.
“I am extremely concerned about what will happen in the winter if people arrive here and we have no physical places for them to go.’’
As the committee stage was passed, the Government was defeated by 29 votes to 17.
The Seanad will consider the report and final stages of the Bill next week.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/government-defeated-in-seanad-on-private-member-s-refugee-bill-1.3284829

How on Earth could we possibly ever check the bona fides of these claimants?

What planet do these people live on?:roll:
It applies to spouses parents and and children under 18 which would be the nieces and nephews. Tbh I don't have a problem with this. If they have their families they will settle in quicker.
 

artfoley56

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The International Protection (Family Reunification) (Amendment) Bill 2017

Yes folks they are off again

The twits in An Seanad have now agreed that rather than need less asylum seekers coming here

- we need more!:shock:

It is supported by several Independents as well as Fianna Fáil, Labour, Sinn Féin and the Green Party.
The Bill paves the way for refugees to bring grandparents, cousins, nephews, nieces and siblings to Ireland by expanding the reunification programme


BUT:
Minister of State for Justice David Stanton told the Seanad on Wednesday the Government was working as hard as it could to improve direct provision.
The direct provision centres are filling up very fast,’’ he added.
“I am extremely concerned about what will happen in the winter if people arrive here and we have no physical places for them to go.’’
As the committee stage was passed, the Government was defeated by 29 votes to 17.
The Seanad will consider the report and final stages of the Bill next week.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/government-defeated-in-seanad-on-private-member-s-refugee-bill-1.3284829

How on Earth could we possibly ever check the bona fides of these claimants?

What planet do these people live on?:roll:
you do know that family reunification is already a thing?

what contained in the new bill compared to whats already there do you take most exception with?
 

razorblade

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If only we could generate electricity from hyperbole
Once you start letting all their family members in the floodgates will open that is insane, the current asylum process is clearly broken beyond repair and needs to be scraped and replaced with a far more sensible solution.
 

Catalpast

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It applies to spouses parents and and children under 18 which would be the nieces and nephews. Tbh I don't have a problem with this. If they have their families they will settle in quicker.
No it paves the way for refugees to bring 'grandparents, cousins, nephews, nieces and siblings to Ireland' by expanding the reunification programme

That is potentially hundreds of thousands of people......
 

gleeful

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No it paves the way for refugees to bring 'grandparents, cousins, nephews, nieces and siblings to Ireland' by expanding the reunification programme

That is potentially hundreds of thousands of people......
Potentially billions. Any minute now we'll all be swept away in a flood of migration. It'll look like that wilderbeast scene from the Lion King.
 

Catalpast

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you do know that family reunification is already a thing?

what contained in the new bill compared to whats already there do you take most exception with?
FU is limited to immediate family members

- this will truly open the Floodgates..............................................................................................................................
 

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Thanks very much to the Irish people that pay Tax ( not the wealthy obviously , No Tax Abuse for them )

Ireland is very lucky that the Actual Irish Taxpayers have Plenty of money ( apparently unlimited ) to finance all this sort of stuff .

Taxpayers ; Stand By ; Our Politicians Orgasm spending your money and the are insatiable when it comes to Orgasms . Be Ready to Keep Paying .
 

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This sounds like a requirement under international law. The Dublin agreement has a provision that requires that families be accessed for refugee status in a single country, where possible. I know of a case where a family got split by chance of flights with the wife and kids ending up in London and the Father being refused onto the connecting flight in Dublin. After a year of being apart the courts decided the father should join his family in London, because they had technically applied for asylum there a few minutes before he did the same in Dublin.

It is sensible to process families as a unit.
I can understand it in the case you mentioned of a couple with young children but that adult siblings be allowed come with their own families is taking things too far.
 

Researchwill

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The International Protection (Family Reunification) (Amendment) Bill 2017

Yes folks they are off again

The twits in An Seanad have now agreed that rather than need less asylum seekers coming here

- we need more!:shock:

It is supported by several Independents as well as Fianna Fáil, Labour, Sinn Féin and the Green Party.
The Bill paves the way for refugees to bring grandparents, cousins, nephews, nieces and siblings to Ireland by expanding the reunification programme


BUT:
Minister of State for Justice David Stanton told the Seanad on Wednesday the Government was working as hard as it could to improve direct provision.
“The direct provision centres are filling up very fast,’’ he added.
“I am extremely concerned about what will happen in the winter if people arrive here and we have no physical places for them to go.’’
As the committee stage was passed, the Government was defeated by 29 votes to 17.
The Seanad will consider the report and final stages of the Bill next week.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/government-defeated-in-seanad-on-private-member-s-refugee-bill-1.3284829

How on Earth could we possibly ever check the bona fides of these claimants?

What planet do these people live on?:roll:
The amendment act from what I see restored the law that did exist the only really change

any grandparent, parent, brother, sister, child, grandchild, ward or guardian of the sponsor who is dependent on the qualified person
or is suffering from a mental or physical disability to such extent
that it is not reasonable for him or her to maintain himself or herself fully.”.

That was the case till a few years ago in any case.

Seems a very Christian thing to me to allow such cases. But I don’t expect a Christian to understand that.

BTW look at section 18 of the 1996 Act then look at section 56 of the 2015 act and then look at the anendment act 2017.
 
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Clanrickard

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No it paves the way for refugees to bring 'grandparents, cousins, nephews, nieces and siblings to Ireland' by expanding the reunification programme

That is potentially hundreds of thousands of people......
It potentially isn't. You are assuming that every refugee has a full complement of family members and that this full complement want to move to Ireland.
 


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