Introducing workfare?

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Receiving money for doing nothing is very harmful to the individuals receiving it over time, and it is harmful to communities as a whole when lots of people within them are basically living off charity. Of course a reserve army of the unemployed and/or cheap labour (supplied by illegal immigrants to most of the advanced countries) is necessary from the point of view of the "Business community".

I theory I am in favour of workfare however the way it has been introduced in the six counties is very unjust (people being turned into slaves of private companies and treated harshly by them in order to hold on to their benefits).

Would it be possible to start a workfare scheme here instead of cutting welfare that didnt make people work for private companies and wasnt unjust?

Didnt FDR introduce some scheme in the USA during the Great Depression there?
 


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Receiving money for doing nothing is very harmful to the individuals receiving it over time, and it is harmful to communities as a whole when lots of people within them are basically living off charity. Of course a reserve army of the unemployed and/or cheap labour (supplied by illegal immigrants to most of the advanced countries) is necessary from the point of view of the "Business community".

I theory I am in favour of workfare however the way it has been introduced in the six counties is very unjust (people being turned into slaves of private companies and treated harshly by them in order to hold on to their benefits).

Would it be possible to start a workfare scheme here instead of cutting welfare that didnt make people work for private companies and wasnt unjust?

Didnt FDR introduce some scheme in the USA during the Great Depression there?
Workfare? You sound more like a Conservative Republican than a Stallinist these days Seven. You have a good point. We should come up with innovative ideas to come up with to deal with the long term unemployed.
 
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Do we really need another thread on this?

Do a search it will bring up lots of threads on how to screw the poor.
 

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Receiving money for doing nothing is very harmful to the individuals receiving it over time, and it is harmful to communities as a whole when lots of people within them are basically living off charity. Of course a reserve army of the unemployed and/or cheap labour (supplied by illegal immigrants to most of the advanced countries) is necessary from the point of view of the "Business community".

I theory I am in favour of workfare however the way it has been introduced in the six counties is very unjust (people being turned into slaves of private companies and treated harshly by them in order to hold on to their benefits).

Would it be possible to start a workfare scheme here instead of cutting welfare that didnt make people work for private companies and wasnt unjust?

Didnt FDR introduce some scheme in the USA during the Great Depression there?
SevenStars,if i cannot find employment which gives me a livable wage i will do whatever it takes to protect my family from abject poverty,if that means turning to crime then so be it,no unscroupulous Capitalist Cannibal will make his fortune on the back of my slave labour,been there done that and it aint going to happen again.By the way i am approching 50 and have been laid off/made redundant in every decade bar 1 since i first entered the fulltime workforce.
 
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Workfare? You sound more like a Conservative Republican than a Stallinist these days Seven. You have a good point. We should come up with innovative ideas to come up with to deal with the long term unemployed.
"Stalinism" believes in everyone being productive. I dont see anything anti-Socialist in the principle at least.
 

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SevenStars,if i cannot find employment which gives me a livable wage i will do whatever it takes to protect my family from abject poverty,if that means turning to crime then so be it,no unscroupulous Capitalist Cannibal will make his fortune on the back of my slave labour,been there done that and it aint going to happen again.By the way i am approching 50 and have been laid off/maid redundant in every decade bar 1 since i first entered the fulltime workforce.
Yeah I know we live in a very messy situation. And I realize that workfare could easily turn into basically slave labour (which is what it basically is the parts of the north where it exists). Also I would be VERY against it being used to help out private companies.
 

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"Stalinism" believes in everyone being productive. I dont see anything anti-Socialist in the principle at least.
I was only joking. Many liberals and other on the left think its a right not to work.
 

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I was only joking. Many liberals and other on the left think its a right not to work.
I always thought that view belonged to the right ;) .
 

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There are many skilled people out of work.

Why not have young nurses work say 2 days per week in HSE hospitals and keep their dole.

The HSE spends millions on external legal advice - let them employ some of the many solicitors out of work.

Accountants with auditing experience are out of work - let them work part time checking up on state bodies, quangos etc in return for dole.

All this is very obvious - wouldn't cost anything more than we already spend - and the worker is doing what he /she is trained to do. Society as a whole would benefit from people with these skills actually working. So why does this not happen?

And why are the unemployed who want to start up their own business not allowed to avail of the scheme (you keep your dole for a period to help you get going) until they have been unemployed for a year - by which time they may be so demoralised they dont want to do it.

And unpaid work placements in state bodies require 3 months unemployment before you can apply. Why?
 

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Why not have young nurses work say 2 days per week in HSE hospitals and keep their dole.

The HSE spends millions on external legal advice - let them employ some of the many solicitors out of work.
The argument for it would be that people keep ahead in skills while they are unemployed...The argument against it would be that it is taking "proper jobs" from people. Still I think its something worth looking into.
 

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And I presume you have never thought to ask yourself why.
Warren your cyber bullying is completely unconnected to this thread.

We might well ask why are you still in Poland?
 


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