Introduction of overdue congestion charges in Dublin could be facilitated by reduction in road tax

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Dublin's rush hour traffic is plagued by gridlock and very slow speeds. This seriously impacts the quality of life for drivers with long commutes to work. For instance,a recent report that one in four Irish children lacks the motor skills to kick a football properly blames lack of time parents spend with children in physical activity.
The obvious solution is increased use of public transport in buses and trains but people are addicted to travel by car even when good public transport is available. So drivers will need a strong financial disincentive to change behaviour in the form of a congestion charge. Politically,introduction of the charge would be facilitated by reduction or abolition of the road tax on cars. Ideally, the charge should not apply in areas that lack good public transport links to Dublin but preventing cheating would be difficult.
Owners of cars who rarely travel to Dublin might claim the reduction in road tax. Such a reduction should require proof of a minimal mileage travel to Dublin,possibly monitored by GPS on mobile phones. A reduction in car insurance is available to drivers who sign up for such monitoring.
 


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As someone who gets a bus and a luas to work I am sorry to tell you we are already packed in like sardines. Public transport is already full same as Housing,Hospitals and Schools.
 

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Dublin's rush hour traffic is plagued by gridlock and very slow speeds. This seriously impacts the quality of life for drivers with long commutes to work. For instance,a recent report that one in four Irish children lacks the motor skills to kick a football properly blames lack of time parents spend with children in physical activity.
The obvious solution is increased use of public transport in buses and trains but people are addicted to travel by car even when good public transport is available. So drivers will need a strong financial disincentive to change behaviour in the form of a congestion charge. Politically,introduction of the charge would be facilitated by reduction or abolition of the road tax on cars. Ideally, the charge should not apply in areas that lack good public transport links to Dublin but preventing cheating would be difficult.
Owners of cars who rarely travel to Dublin might claim the reduction in road tax. Such a reduction should require proof of a minimal mileage travel to Dublin,possibly monitored by GPS on mobile phones. A reduction in car insurance is available to drivers who sign up for such monitoring.
Two chances

All those civil servants who are incentivised to bring their cars into central Dublin by provision of tax free parking spaces will never let this measure through.

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increased use of public transport requires more public transport. if anyone suggests a congestion charge i want to know what improvements there will be to public transport.
if not your're charging for traffic jams

btw i rarely drive anywherre near dublin - a couple of times in the last few years for meetings
 

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Why is the road tax about 4 times higher than in the uk?

Because it was increased to help pay for water supplies in the past 2 decades.

Trading it in for a congestion charge sounds good to me. If I have to be in dublin i'll be there before 7am anyway.
 

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Why is the road tax about 4 times higher than in the uk?

Because it was increased to help pay for water supplies in the past 2 decades.

Trading it in for a congestion charge sounds good to me. If I have to be in dublin i'll be there before 7am anyway.
Only 2.5% added for water - what about the other 97.5%. Road tax too high and particularly for people who cannot afford the newer (tax €190) cars but are are stuck with a 2004-2009 car. Poor people pay more car tax (to keep the Marxist Greens happy)- is that fair?

Luas not introduced to the Northside of Dublin, Lucan, Blanchardstown/Airport, Finglas, etc. Perhaps Sinn Féin will shake things up a bit and show proper respect to young people trying to access housing and adequately paid jobs and older Irish denied proper health by delayed hospital care. A start to this, is to have a joined up Northside public transport system - this has been put on the long finger too long and people are fed up with this treatment by the established political parties of FF/FG/Labour.
 

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As someone who gets a bus and a luas to work I am sorry to tell you we are already packed in like sardines. Public transport is already full same as Housing,Hospitals and Schools.
More investment is needed in public transport, obviously. The Green Party leader Gilmore was super critical of Shane Ross for emphasising roads and it seems Ross's constituency voters agreed.
 

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Two chances

All those civil servants who are incentivised to bring their cars into central Dublin by provision of tax free parking spaces will never let this measure through.

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The charge wouldn't deprive them of parking spaces.
 

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Have you a bettter idea for reducing gridlock?

Some decent planning ?

Some investment ?

Probably the largest city in europe without an underground
 

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increased use of public transport requires more public transport. if anyone suggests a congestion charge i want to know what improvements there will be to public transport.
if not your're charging for traffic jams

btw i rarely drive anywherre near dublin - a couple of times in the last few years for meetings
Luas is adding 30% to the length of its tram train by the end of this year.
 

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Some decent planning ?

Some investment ?

Probably the largest city in europe without an underground
A few miles of underground in New York City cost too much about 40 years ago so they gave up on expansion. Very high population densities are needed for underground rail and Dublin sprawls too far.
 

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Have you a bettter idea for reducing gridlock?
Increase the density of Dublin between the canals with high rise. This will generate critical mass which will make it easier for people within the canals to live without a car and make viable high quality public transport. Until public transport is as good as the private car the switch to it for many will represent a welfare loss.

How many people nowadays go to Dundrum town centre and Liffey valley rather than go through all the hassle of bringing a car in to the city centre? Could a congestion charge now make things even worse?
 

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A few miles of underground in New York City cost too much about 40 years ago so they gave up on expansion. Very high population densities are needed for underground rail and Dublin sprawls too far.
Algiers
Buenos Aires
Baku (thats in Azerbajain btw)
and
Minsk in Belarus

have all opened undergrounds in the last 5 years

You saying we're poorer or less capable of building infrastructure than them ?

Its fairly simple ....
1. especially in a city with narrow roadways like Dublin ...if you have no extra capacity on ground level (none zero zilch) , no space above ground level ...then the ONLY solution is underground
2. It never gets any cheaper than Today!!
 

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Have you a bettter idea for reducing gridlock?
The answer was housing density. Something the great minds of the Irish Times and elsewhere spent the last three decades denigrating. Ireland is not a serious country.
 

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One of the reasons the Brits never built an underground in Dublin is the relatively high cost of tunneling. Although central Dublin is mostly built on reclaimed land there are "fingers" of limestone throughout and tunneling through rock is far more expensive than going through clay. Years ago, when the railway (Dart) was being electrified, it was decided to lower the rail between Dun Laoghaire and Sandycove rather than raising the road above the railway, the cost of that short stretch of rock was enough to blow the budget of the entire project.
 

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Road tax?????
Where?
 

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Increase the density of Dublin between the canals with high rise. This will generate critical mass which will make it easier for people within the canals to live without a car and make viable high quality public transport. Until public transport is as good as the private car the switch to it for many will represent a welfare loss.

How many people nowadays go to Dundrum town centre and Liffey valley rather than go through all the hassle of bringing a car in to the city centre? Could a congestion charge now make things even worse?
The charge would reduce traffic and speed up driving times.
 


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