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Iran to hang 30 convicts Sunday


darkhorse

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our 'friends' in iran are planning to execute by hanging 30 'convicts' tomorrow.
"The 30 had their cases tried by the highest judicial authorities and were found guilty of the charges brought against them, Iran's judiciary said in a statement. " according to cnn.com
any comments? is this forum about politics? or just parish pump politics (trivia)?
 

NotDevsSon

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Unfortunately, trying to have a serious debate in this site is becoming impossible.

Re Iran - its human rights record, and criminal justice system, are both a disgrace.

This picture is of two young men hanging by Iran. Their crime? To be gay.

When challenged, the Iranian state tried to claim that they had actually been paedophiles. Human rights organisations could not find a scintilla of evidence of that. All the evidence is simply that they were hanged because they were Gay and had sex with each other.





That is the sort of sick society Iran is.

So as to the 30 'convicts' - we can be pretty sure some if not all will be totally innocent. But even if they were not, there is no justification for execution. None.

BTW I posted these images before. No serious debate resulted. Instead our resident homophobes (Milton Fine et al) came on to start verbal queer-bashing, as is their wont.
 

youngdan

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What is the problem about 30 executions in Iran. Amnesty reckons there is 8000 a year in China. If you take someone's what is the problem with swinging them.

NDS, why are you changing the subject to gays but seeing that you did I have a question. Are you as a gay person not concerned that Islamic Law will not be introduced to the EU. Stick Turkey in there and it is sooner rather than later that 51% is reached. You spend considerable time promoting the EU. Do you want to expell the muslims or do you not think this day will come in time to concern you.

Many here would be distaut at the possibility of you following in the sandalsteps of those two unfortunates.
 

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youngdan said:
What is the problem about 30 executions in Iran. Amnesty reckons there is 8000 a year in China. If you take someone's what is the problem with swinging them.
I have explicitly condemned China's execution policy over and over. This thread is about Iran, not China. So here we are talking about Iran, but saying 'but X country has Y executions' as though doing something wrong multiple times is better than doing it many multiples of times.

Execution is always wrong. No ifs. No buts. It is wrong. No civilised society should behave that way.

NDS, why are you changing the subject to gays
I didn't. Iran is a despotic dictatorship with a history of brutal executions. I simply pointed out one case. If I mentioned examples involved people executed for their religion, would you interpret that as 'changing the subject'? If I highlighted as evidence of the brutality of the regime the fact that a man recently was viciously whipped for having a bible in his car, would that mean I was 'changing the subject' of the thread to Christianity?

but seeing that you did I have a question. Are you as a gay person not concerned that Islamic Law will not be introduced to the EU. Stick Turkey in there and it is sooner rather than later that 51% is reached. You spend considerable time promoting the EU. Do you want to expell the muslims or do you not think this day will come in time to concern you.

Many here would be distaut at the possibility of you following in the sandalsteps of those two unfortunates.
1. Turkey is not an Islamic society. It has been a secular society since the deposition of the sultanate. Most of its believers are Islamic, as is their right, but their state society is secular and has been for most of the last century.

2. The EU does not set internal policies and member states do not set EU ones on the basis of 51%, 61% or any number.

3. Execution is against EU law. All prospective member states HAVE to completely prohibit capital punishment. If any country introduced it they would be instantly be expelled from the EU. When the two far right nutters who were president and prime minister of Poland opposed a ban on execution and suggested it should be allowed, they were told in no uncertain terms that the second Poland introduced such a law it would be instantly expelled from the EU.

There is no question of Islamic law, or Catholic law, or Protestant law, or any religion's law, being introduced in the EU. It is against its basic rules and would trigger an expulsion. That is one of the reasons the Holy See can only have associate membership, not full membership, of the EU. Its legal code is incompatible with eligibility requirements.
 

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NotDevsSon said:
youngdan said:
What is the problem about 30 executions in Iran. Amnesty reckons there is 8000 a year in China. If you take someone's what is the problem with swinging them.
I have explicitly condemned China's execution policy over and over. This thread is about Iran, not China. So here we are talking about Iran, but saying 'but X country has Y executions' as though doing something wrong multiple times is better than doing it many multiples of times.

Execution is always wrong. No ifs. No buts. It is wrong. No civilised society should behave that way.

NDS, why are you changing the subject to gays
I didn't. Iran is a despotic dictatorship with a history of brutal executions. I simply pointed out one case. If I mentioned examples involved people executed for their religion, would you interpret that as 'changing the subject'? If I highlighted as evidence of the brutality of the regime the fact that a man recently was viciously whipped for having a bible in his car, would that mean I was 'changing the subject' of the thread to Christianity?

[quote:13e0w0jj]but seeing that you did I have a question. Are you as a gay person not concerned that Islamic Law will not be introduced to the EU. Stick Turkey in there and it is sooner rather than later that 51% is reached. You spend considerable time promoting the EU. Do you want to expell the muslims or do you not think this day will come in time to concern you.

Many here would be distaut at the possibility of you following in the sandalsteps of those two unfortunates.
1. Turkey is not an Islamic society. It has been a secular society since the deposition of the sultanate. Most of its believers are Islamic, as is their right, but their state society is secular and has been for most of the last century.

2. The EU does not set internal policies and member states do not set EU ones on the basis of 51%, 61% or any number.

3. Execution is against EU law. All prospective member states HAVE to completely prohibit capital punishment. If any country introduced it they would be instantly be expelled from the EU. When the two far right nutters who were president and prime minister of Poland opposed a ban on execution and suggested it should be allowed, they were told in no uncertain terms that the second Poland introduced such a law it would be instantly expelled from the EU.

There is no question of Islamic law, or Catholic law, or Protestant law, or any religion's law, being introduced in the EU. It is against its basic rules and would trigger an expulsion. That is one of the reasons the Holy See can only have associate membership, not full membership, of the EU. Its legal code is incompatible with eligibility requirements.[/quote:13e0w0jj]


You sound exactly like Peter Thatchell and his Irish sidekick Pat Corcoran, two men who have single handedly destroyed the reputation of HOPOI, an organisation I used to give my 100% support too.
 

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NDS
. Turkey is not an Islamic society. It has been a secular society since the deposition of the sultanate. Most of its believers are Islamic, as is their right, but their state society is secular and has been for most of the last century.
Things change and the demographics in Turkey, like recent election results, favour the Islamists.

There is no question of Islamic law, or Catholic law, or Protestant law, or any religion's law, being introduced in the EU. It is against its basic rules and would trigger an expulsion.
The fact is that Islam is growing in every EU country and it tends to have an influence well beyond its numerical strength. Domestic political considerations may prevent member stats supporting the expulsion of a member even if Sharia law was introduced. Fear of Islamic violence is a major part of our politics now. So is multi-cultural relativism.

Who can forget the shame of our own President's failure to stand for freedom of speech during the Danish cartoon issue?

When the Archbishop of Canterbury said the recognition of Sharia Law in Britain was inevitable nobody suggested it would cause a problem for Britain's EU membership.
 

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Darkhorse opened a thread about hanging in Iran. Even an Obama voter would deduce that the poster wished the topic to be on capital punishment or Iran and how the two are related. Darkhorse was perhaps looking forward to a spirited debate but you turned it to a discussion on gays being hung.

Darkhorse may not be interested if gays are hung, not hung or indeed well hung.
However you are always good for a discussion. I know you are long enough in the tooth(you no doubt remember me saying that to you when I pointed out shortly after Iowa that Hillary and Rudy were done) to know that all this happy talk about the EU is a crock of mularky. Even today I was reading that biography of Mao and it stated that the Chinese Constitution ensured that power could never concentrate in one person. These documents mean nothing as the strong make the rules until such time as a meaner brute comes along

I see that France has 12% or 7.5 million muslims. Even without immigration they are breeding like flies whereas the French themselves are far below replacement levels. So the day will come when France will have 51% muslim. Anyone that thinks they will not want Sharia Law is dreaming.
So you are telling me that the EU will expell them. Even if that were true surely you realise the muslims would gladly go and enjoy their own Islamic Republic

Are you blind to the tide of history. It is only a matter of time till there will be gays swinging from the Eiffel Tower. For the life of me I can not figure out why gays can not see the writing on the wall.
 

myksav

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darkhorse said:
our 'friends' in iran are planning to execute by hanging 30 'convicts' tomorrow.
"The 30 had their cases tried by the highest judicial authorities and were found guilty of the charges brought against them, Iran's judiciary said in a statement. " according to cnn.com
any comments? is this forum about politics? or just parish pump politics (trivia)?
Any list of the charges?

By the way, do you think that the use of the death penalty in the US is right or wrong?
 

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Leftfemme22 said:
You sound exactly like Peter Thatchell and his Irish sidekick Pat Corcoran, two men who have single handedly destroyed the reputation of HOPOI, an organisation I used to give my 100% support too.
HOPOI another bastion of crackpot pc lefties. Their aims

No to imperialist war! For the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of US/UK troops from Iraq and all the Gulf region!
No to any imperialist intervention. The immediate and unconditional end to sanctions on Iran.
No to the theocratic regime!
Opposition to Israeli expansionism and aggression!
Support to all working class and progressive struggles in Iran against poverty and repression!
Support for socialism, democracy and workers' control in Iran!
For a nuclear-free Middle East as a step towards a nuclear-free world!

What a bunch of loonies. There's the obiligatory dig at the Israel and one against the US/UK. How boringingly predictable. How the Mad Mullahs must laugh at their usefull idiots in the West like HOPOI.
 

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Well they have gone ahead and hung 29:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7527431.stm

Mostly it seems for being drug trafficers and other major offences. No mention of homosexuals.

The pictures above are not directly related to this event. The juvelille above was hanged by local court when an agreement with the victims family could not be reached in accordance with Islamic law. The hanging then proceeded.

There is also a big differance between that hanging (of the 17 year old) and the ones in China. China can change its legistation. Iran is bound by Sharia and hence cannot alter the standard the nations itself has not set, but promised to adhere to.
 

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Is it my imagination, or did I hear that prisoners are drugged in advance?
They certainly go to the gallows in a very relaxed state - judging by the many
youtube videos knocking around. It also looks like they're not using knotted
ropes to break the neck, just a slip knot to strangle.
 

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Halibut said:
Is it my imagination, or did I hear that prisoners are drugged in advance?
They certainly go to the gallows in a very relaxed state - judging by the many
youtube videos knocking around. It also looks like they're not using knotted
ropes to break the neck, just a slip knot to strangle.
It isn't the knot that defines whether those hanged strangled or had their neck broken, it's the drop distance.
If the drop is calculated by body weight, it doesn't matter what knot is used, a simple wrap and tuck would work just as well as a 'hangmans' knot'.
 

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These types of executions are sadly a common occurance in Iran. The "Crime against chastity" are also very disturbing. Many young women and girls have been killed for none other reason than somebody may have looked at them or they were with a man who was not related to them.

These killing are ways of keeping citizens living in fear so that they will not disturb the status quo. This coupled with a divine mandate leaves a pretty desperate situation.
 

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Iran has a policy of judicially murdering people, just like other enlightened countries, China, the USA, Saudi Arabia. The methods vary, but the result is always the same.
 

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<Mod>Moved to Foreign Affairs.</Mod>
 

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NotDevsSon said:
Unfortunately, trying to have a serious debate in this site is becoming impossible.

Re Iran - its human rights record, and criminal justice system, are both a disgrace.

This picture is of two young men hanging by Iran. Their crime? To be gay.

When challenged, the Iranian state tried to claim that they had actually been paedophiles. Human rights organisations could not find a scintilla of evidence of that. All the evidence is simply that they were hanged because they were Gay and had sex with each other.





That is the sort of sick society Iran is.

So as to the 30 'convicts' - we can be pretty sure some if not all will be totally innocent. But even if they were not, there is no justification for execution. None.

BTW I posted these images before. No serious debate resulted. Instead our resident homophobes (Milton Fine et al) came on to start verbal queer-bashing, as is their wont.
Those two guys were not hung for being gay as the West often claims. Peter Tatchell and his group "Outrage" translated an Iranian student website covering this case but deliberately omitted the charges "labat bey onf" which translates to "homosexual sex by force". A designated terrorist group the Peoples Mujahideen of Iran which aims to overthrow the current Govt and whom Tatchell supports also peddled the myth.
Typical of Tatchell the tabloid gay. News spread through Internet World of 2 teen lovers killed for being gay and as a result Amnesty and Human Rights Watch looked into the cases. As it turned out they both got drunk one day, abducted a 13 year old boy, beat him, then raped him , stole his bike and left him abandoned. So the charges were drinking, kidnapping, child molestation, male rape, theft and assault. It was not "for being in love".
Some time after Tatchells allegation many gay groups admitted this was not a gay case as did Amnesty. Tatchell refuses to apologise and doesn't even acknowledge the 13 year old rape victim or his family.
 

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BEIRUT - A hardline Iranian paramilitary group has threatened “a bloody repression” against women attending football matches as the government moves to ease restrictions on female fan in sporting events.

Ansar e-Hezbollah, which enjoys support from leading figures in Iran’s government, issued a statement that was later circulated on social media railing against the move to overturn the country’s long-standing ban of women supporters at football matches, Al-Arabiya reported Wednesday.

“We, the sons of [Ayatollah] Ruhallah Khomeini, will rise up before permission is given and the abomination of women prostitutes spreads in the stadiums,” the statement read.

“Attendance of women in stadiums is a violation of the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s rule,” the militia and seminary members said, threatening “a bloody repression of women’s attendance.”

“And that is in keeping with the promotion of virtue and the prevention of vice,” the statement added.
https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/NewsReports/565410-iran-militia-threatens-bloody-repression-of-female-football-fans
 

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Those two guys were not hung for being gay as the West often claims. Peter Tatchell and his group "Outrage" translated an Iranian student website covering this case but deliberately omitted the charges "labat bey onf" which translates to "homosexual sex by force". A designated terrorist group the Peoples Mujahideen of Iran which aims to overthrow the current Govt and whom Tatchell supports also peddled the myth.
Typical of Tatchell the tabloid gay. News spread through Internet World of 2 teen lovers killed for being gay and as a result Amnesty and Human Rights Watch looked into the cases. As it turned out they both got drunk one day, abducted a 13 year old boy, beat him, then raped him , stole his bike and left him abandoned. So the charges were drinking, kidnapping, child molestation, male rape, theft and assault. It was not "for being in love".
Some time after Tatchells allegation many gay groups admitted this was not a gay case as did Amnesty. Tatchell refuses to apologise and doesn't even acknowledge the 13 year old rape victim or his family.
Thanks for that explanation, very interesting.
 
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