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Iraq-getting better?


How is security in Iraq in recent weeks?


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Danny

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Anyone here think the situation is getting better in Iraq? As you can see today, a big success against the insurgents, and as you can see Iraqi forces were at the fore of the attack. Also, in Iraq, civilians used their arms to attack insurgents and the number of 'spectacular attacks' has fallen in recent weeks.


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- After a two-hour firefight, Iraqi forces and U.S. helicopters captured an insurgent base north of Baghdad, killing 85 rebels, U.S. and Iraqi military officials said Wednesday.

"A previous safe haven for planning attacks has been removed," a U.S. military official said of Tuesday's battle.

Although the Iraqi military said it killed 85 insurgents during the firefight, the U.S. military said the number of rebel dead was "undetermined."

Seven Iraqi police commandos with the Ministry of Interior died in the fighting and six were wounded, the U.S. military said.

The U.S. military said it had lost no American troops in the battle.
 

Carrier

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Seems a bit dodge. The Americans didn't give a figure for insurgent casualties but did for Iraqi security.

"Also, in Iraq, civilians used their arms to attack insurgents"

Have you got a link to that?

"the number of 'spectacular attacks' has fallen in recent weeks."

Yeh, I think you're right there. There's been more of a focus on attacking on Shi'tes rather than US. Heading for civil war if what's going on now couldn't be considered that.
 

Danny

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From BBC

Also in the capital, witnesses said shopkeepers fought a gun battle with insurgents on Tuesday, killing three of them.
I think the situation is greatly improving. The decrease in 'spectaculars' isn't the result of some cunning plan, it's a result in a decrease in support following the elections. The kind of blows that are being dealt to the insurgency are ones based on intelligence, intelligence that can only be got through public support. 18-24, the US will have almost fully withdrawn, with losses stopped at around 2,200.
 

Bogwarrior

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Balls. Over 80 attacks a day. Kill rate amongst Yanks, average 2 per day. The fact that the Insurgents are holding training camps within Iraq, with dozens of recruits says it all. The high death rate, (allegedly) came from aerial bombardment after the Iraqi collaboraters retreated. The only difference between now and last year is that media interest is diminishing, hence people think it's all quiet. 2 years ago Rumsfeld described the Resistance as " a couple of dead enders". Now, according to Time magazine, they number over 20,000. American hamfistedness and thuggery has ensured the Resistance, plenty of recruits for generations to come.
 

Bogwarrior

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ireland2004 said:
God they're fcuked if they go into Iran.
Not if there's Sinn Fein types in Iran, prepared to condemn Resistance, and administer American rule. :wink:
 

Deputy Dawg

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Danny wrote:
The decrease in 'spectaculars' isn't the result of some cunning plan, it's a result in a decrease in support following the elections.
As Carrier said, the decrease in attacks on Americans has been replaced by an increase in attacks on Iraqis.

If there is a drop in support for the resistance since the elections, its probably cos the Iraqis have elected people who want the US to leave. If this doesn't work and the Americans dont show any sign of leaving, no doubt support for the resistance will rise even more.

As for whether the situation is getting worse? Well since the invasion and occupation child malnutrition has doubled and child mortality has tripled. Over half the country is unemployed.
 

Rocky

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Deputy Dawg I like to know where you got that information because I have serious doubt's about it.
 

badinage

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I think we have to accept that no matter what happens the Americans (and those lovable boys who like to talk really loudly on Fox News) will declare that its proof that America was right, and that democracy is spreading across the world.

Once you accept that that's inevitable, and you learn to ignore it, its much easier to be glad when you hear positive news coming out of Iraq.
 

Isis

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Truth is, whether you like it or not, democracy does indeed seem to be spreading. I agree with badinage. It's easier to just accept the inevitable and hope for the best. What ever good happens, the Americans are going to take credit and if it all goes arse ways, their just going to say it was the Iraqis own fault.
 

Isis

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Truth is, whether you like it or not, democracy does indeed seem to be spreading. I agree with badinage. It's easier to just accept the inevitable and hope for the best. What ever good happens, the Americans are going to take credit and if it all goes arse ways, their just going to say it was the Iraqis own fault.
 

Bogwarrior

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thanks for that, Deputy. Indeed one of the first acts carried out by Bremer was to abolish the social welfare system in Iraq. The aim was to use poverty to force Iraqis into the new puppet army.
 

Weehamster

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Bogwarrior said:
thanks for that, Deputy. Indeed one of the first acts carried out by Bremer was to abolish the social welfare system in Iraq. The aim was to use poverty to force Iraqis into the new puppet army.
Well thats US foregin policy wrapped up in a nutshell.

And shame on those who said that things are better. Why do you travel there to find out instead of making a judment from the comfort and safety of your armchair.
 

at768

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Iraq was getting better from 2007-20011, but now its getting almost as bad as during the first few years of U.S. occupation.

It looks like it was a mistake for Iraq to make U.S. troops to leave before there was even the threat of ISIS, there was an increasing murder rate.

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
 

Alan Alda

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Iraq was getting better from 2007-20011, but now its getting almost as bad as during the first few years of U.S. occupation.

It looks like it was a mistake for Iraq to make U.S. troops to leave before there was even the threat of ISIS, there was an increasing murder rate.

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
Perhaps , maybe , the US should never have been there , maybe ?
Just sayin. Call me a nutter but imo , the US was part of the problem.
Dontcha think ?
 
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