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Iraq on the brink of civil war?


Honecker

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The last two months in Iraq have seen brutal sectarian violence in which almost 1000 people have been killed. Most of the violence is perpetrated by extremist Sunni militias (often made up of international jihadists) with links to Al Qaeda. The victims are usually Shi'ite Muslims who are regarded as heretics. The majority of Iraqis are Shi'ite Muslims who mainly live in the south and east of the country. This is the worst sectarian violence in Iraq since 2007 except back then American troops were able to launch a surge against the extremists and reduce tensions. What is to stop the violence this time? Iraqi civilians are being butchered and no one in the west gives a damn.

The "War on Terror" is a sick joke. There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq before the invasion in 2003 yet now they operate with almost total impunity. In Syria the government is fighting against terrorists and William Hague wants to send guns to Al Qaeda! How many more secular governments does the west want to overthrow and allow the Wahhabists take control?


BBC News - Iraq violence: Baghdad car bombs kill at least 66

Iraq May death toll passes 500 | ArabNews
 


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The last two months in Iraq have seen brutal sectarian violence in which almost 1000 people have been killed. Most of the violence is perpetrated by extremist Sunni militias (often made up of international jihadists) with links to Al Qaeda. The victims are usually Shi'ite Muslims who are regarded as heretics. The majority of Iraqis are Shi'ite Muslims who mainly live in the south and east of the country. This is the worst sectarian violence in Iraq since 2007/8 except back then American troops were able to launch a surge against the extremists and reduce tensions. What is to stop the violence this time? Iraqi civilians are being butchered and no one in the west gives a damn.

The "War on Terror" is a sick joke. There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq before the invasion in 2003 yet now they operate with almost total impunity. In Syria the government is fighting against terrorists and William Hague wants to send guns to Al Qaeda! How many more secular government does the west want to overthrow and allow the Wahhabists take control?


BBC News - Iraq violence: Baghdad car bombs kill at least 66

Iraq May death toll passes 500 | ArabNews
I reckon the Brits & French want first dibs on arms contracts :D
 

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Hard to resist the conclusion that these lunatics in the middle east need a dictator a la saddam, gaddafi, mubarak etc to keep them in line.
 

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The usual far left supporters of all anti western regimes won't know who to back on this one.

You have a US created Iraqi government, led by a leadership that the far left loons like Galloway said he hoped would fail. But on the other hand the Iraqi gov is now closely aligned with Iran and Assad, representing a Shia Axis so to speak.

Those fighting the Shia government in Baghdad are the same folks fighting Assad in Damascus. A very difficult dilemma for supporters of lunatic Shia regimes everywhere. :?
 

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The war on terror is about trying to get them to stop killing each other and has never had much success.
 

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The usual far left supporters of all anti western regimes won't know who to back on this one.

You have a US created Iraqi government, led by a leadership that the far left loons like Galloway said he hoped would fail. But on the other hand the Iraqi gov is now closely aligned with Iran and Assad, representing a Shia Axis so to speak.

Those fighting the Shia government in Baghdad are the same folks fighting Assad in Damascus. A very difficult dilemma for supporters of lunatic Shia regimes everywhere. :?
Will you please stop spamming these threads announcing your hated of the far left. No one cares.
 

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Will you please stop spamming these threads announcing your hated of the far left. No one cares.
Oh do shut up you whining Muppet. You were the one talking about the west wanting to see Wahabi nutters taking control. Just ignore the fact the al-Maliki government is supported by the west. :oops:
 

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How many more secular governments does the west want to overthrow and allow the Wahhabists take control?
And do the citizens of Syria, Libya or Iraq not have a say in it?

Because for me the gaping hole in your theory is the idea that the peoples of these ancient civilisations would be happy being ruled by animals who shoot 15 year old schoolgirls in the face and destroy ancient cultural treasures. Why in the name of God would they want or accept that?

We need to rid ourselves of this notion that Middle Eastern citizens secretly wish to be ruled by extremist Islamists. 99% of them want the same life as all humans want, which simply means jobs and a house and the means to raise their kids.
 

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Honecker

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And do the citizens of Syria, Libya or Iraq not have a say in it?

Because for me the gaping hole in your theory is the idea that the peoples of these ancient civilisations would be happy being ruled by animals who shoot 15 year old schoolgirls in the face and destroy ancient cultural treasures. Why in the name of God would they want or accept that?

We need to rid ourselves of this notion that Middle Eastern citizens secretly wish to be ruled by extremist Islamists. 99% of them want the same life as all humans want, which simply means jobs and a house and the means to raise their kids.
Of course they don't want to be ruled by extremists. That's why the Syrian people have been fighting for 2 years. However strong central governments are needed in these countries to combat the spread of Wahhabism and protect the people. The idealists in the west need to stop reading bullsh1t liberal theorists and study the works of Thomas Hobbs if they want to understand people's concerns in the middle east and why people support Assad and supported Gaddaffi.
 

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The last two months in Iraq have seen brutal sectarian violence in which almost 1000 people have been killed. Most of the violence is perpetrated by extremist Sunni militias (often made up of international jihadists) with links to Al Qaeda. The victims are usually Shi'ite Muslims who are regarded as heretics. The majority of Iraqis are Shi'ite Muslims who mainly live in the south and east of the country. This is the worst sectarian violence in Iraq since 2007 except back then American troops were able to launch a surge against the extremists and reduce tensions. What is to stop the violence this time? Iraqi civilians are being butchered and no one in the west gives a damn.

The "War on Terror" is a sick joke. There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq before the invasion in 2003 yet now they operate with almost total impunity. In Syria the government is fighting against terrorists and William Hague wants to send guns to Al Qaeda! How many more secular governments does the west want to overthrow and allow the Wahhabists take control?


BBC News - Iraq violence: Baghdad car bombs kill at least 66

Iraq May death toll passes 500 | ArabNews
To be brief: a sudden and very recent spike in bombings in Iraq is not the equivalent of a civil war. Iraq has 33 million people, and it might take only a handful of people - or even just one - to set off bombs - how those few people might constitute a "civil war" is difficult to grasp. It might be their last desparate grasps to be noticed, to make their statement. They do such things because they exist in such small numbers that they are unable to engage in a civil war. They do not have enough supporters within Iraq's 33 million population to do much more than set off bombs and kill a lot of innocent people going about their daily lives. The critical mass needed for a civil war does not exist.
 

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Of course they don't want to be ruled by extremists. That's why the Syrian people have been fighting for 2 years. However strong central governments are needed in these countries to combat the spread of Wahhabism and protect the people. The idealists in the west need to stop reading bullsh1t liberal theorists and study the works of Thomas Hobbs if they want to understand people's concerns in the middle east and why people support Assad and supported Gaddaffi.
With a nom de plume of Honecker I can only imagine what you mean by that.
 

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With a nom de plume of Honecker I can only imagine what you mean by that.
I wonder if his IP can be traced to somewhere in South America? :D
 

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The war on terror is about trying to get them to stop killing each other and has never had much success.
I understood the War On Terror to be about trying to stop them killing us.

That was the reason put forward in 2001 after the 9/11 attacks. Iraq was sold by Bush as being part of the same effort even though it wasn't.
 

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The war on terror is about trying to get them to stop killing each other and has never had much success.
No, the "War on Terror" was about changing the regime "we" installed and used to like with the one we'd now prefer, using distorted facts and blatant lies as justification. And in all cases, it's been an abject failure (unless you've got shares in various illicit arms dealers).
 

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Iraqi civilians are being butchered and no one in the west gives a damn.
Thats not true. Its people who can no longer see US interests at stake that stopped giving a damn, and never really did. They never gave a damn about Iraqis. The massaged casuality figures caused by the same 'insurgents' operating now were ignored and laid at the door of the US. And its all Al Quedas fault? What about the Mehdi Army of now government member Al Sadr? And lets not forget the other Shia groups that are operating there and have been for some time, with the aid of Iran. They are all guilty. it does not matter whose Western agenda they can used to service.

Butchery in Iraq is nothing new since the US left, and those doing it were widely cheered as freedom fighters in some circles on P.ie. Now they are unfashionable because of the Syrian dimension? I think not. Vapid useful idiots ditched their interest in Iraq as soon as the last US boots left the ground there, a point I have made time and again on this site. They are the same vapid fools who screamed blue murder when the US carried out an operation against Sunni insurgents that Assad allowed to be based inside the Syrian border with Iraq's Anbar province. Thats a time bomb that I highlights aswell when the Srping started, and now we see the results today. Slow clap indeed for those who are only copping on now.

Iraq and what is happening there is neithier old or new news, it has simply always been current to those who don't need their news of world events pre-masticated and spoon fed to them.
 
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