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Ireland Badly in need of a new Centre Party with the tax payer (income tax) their main priority with no ties to left or right


iball123

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Ireland Badly in need of a new Centre Party with the tax payer (income tax) their main priority with no ties to left or right

Hi all . I just wanted to start a new thread as I am sick and tired of being taken for a mug by the socialist left who think its prudent to continue taxing the sh.ite out of me for girls to have multiple kids with no repercussions on them, or for people who think the dole is a career choice, or for a public sector who think like Yazz's very catchy song applies to their wages "the only way is up" Also on the right we have the shenanigans of the banking bailout, aswell as allowing the bondholders off scott free as well as now contemplating allowing anyone who bought a gaff and lost see their losses covered by the tax payer..

Why is it that these tax payers are on the lamb for everything. When will the gov make people accountable for their own decisions and let them take the pain for it. If we keep the nanny state and the continued approach of bailing anyone out who shouts loud enough no one and I mean no one will learn a damn thing and the same mistakes will be repeated.

The evidence of this is the surge of support for FF these c.unts ************************************ the country and if they keep on their upward trajectory they may well snake back into government in a few years time. Is it time for a party to stay centre tell loony lefties and shady righties to get their collective bargaining, bank bail outing hands out of the coffers. A party who looks to protect the income tax payer from paying more then they should would have a very good platform to start from IMO. Anyone any views on this.
 

Johnnybaii

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A party dedicated to protecting the interests of taxpayers (as
Opposed to milking them like mugs) and zero tolerance to crime (as opposed to letting rapists/bankers/etc walking free) would romp home in an election.

I Can't understand the lack of an alternative choice for voters.
 

tigerben

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Im sure the taxpayers are the only group in Ireland not considered vunerable, and seem by all groups to be a endless source of income, tax more to give to others it seems, thoses on social welfare, lone parents, widowers, widows, disabled, non nationals, old age pensions , travellers, homeless people, asylum seekers and others have quangos who summit survey's, and policies for them. Who sticks up for the taxpayers of Ireland!
 

gerhard dengler

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In my view there is certainly a role for a political party who's economic policy would include lower taxes and lower government expenditure.

I think such a party would get support from taxpayers who are having to pay for the wasters at both ends of the wasters scales.

Nobody should waste their time invoking the PD's.
The PD's ably helped FF when dishing out the largesse 2002-2007.
What a discredited bunch they were.
 

Astral Peaks

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We have two firmly Centrist parties already, both of whom are the subject of the ire of 90% on here.

Why would we need a third?
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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Hi all . I just wanted to start a new thread as I am sick and tired of being taken for a mug by the socialist left who think its prudent to continue taxing the sh.ite out of me for girls to have multiple kids with no repercussions on them, or for people who think the dole is a career choice, or for a public sector who think like Yazz's very catchy song applies to their wages "the only way is up" Also on the right we have the shenanigans of the banking bailout, aswell as allowing the bondholders off scott free as well as now contemplating allowing anyone who bought a gaff and lost see their losses covered by the tax payer..

Why is it that these tax payers are on the lamb for everything. When will the gov make people accountable for their own decisions and let them take the pain for it. If we keep the nanny state and the continued approach of bailing anyone out who shouts loud enough no one and I mean no one will learn a damn thing and the same mistakes will be repeated.

The evidence of this is the surge of support for FF these c.unts ************************************ the country and if they keep on their upward trajectory they may well snake back into government in a few years time. Is it time for a party to stay centre tell loony lefties and shady righties to get their collective bargaining, bank bail outing hands out of the coffers. A party who looks to protect the income tax payer from paying more then they should would have a very good platform to start from IMO. Anyone any views on this.
The reality is that the best way of protecting 'taxpayers' is to reduce the amount of money the State spends. Turns out, we don't want our services to be cut back either.

Good luck squaring that circle.
 

statsman

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Hi all . I just wanted to start a new thread as I am sick and tired of being taken for a mug by the socialist left who think its prudent to continue taxing the sh.ite out of me for girls to have multiple kids with no repercussions on them, or for people who think the dole is a career choice, or for a public sector who think like Yazz's very catchy song applies to their wages "the only way is up" Also on the right we have the shenanigans of the banking bailout, aswell as allowing the bondholders off scott free as well as now contemplating allowing anyone who bought a gaff and lost see their losses covered by the tax payer..

Why is it that these tax payers are on the lamb for everything. When will the gov make people accountable for their own decisions and let them take the pain for it. If we keep the nanny state and the continued approach of bailing anyone out who shouts loud enough no one and I mean no one will learn a damn thing and the same mistakes will be repeated.

The evidence of this is the surge of support for FF these c.unts ************************************ the country and if they keep on their upward trajectory they may well snake back into government in a few years time. Is it time for a party to stay centre tell loony lefties and shady righties to get their collective bargaining, bank bail outing hands out of the coffers. A party who looks to protect the income tax payer from paying more then they should would have a very good platform to start from IMO. Anyone any views on this.
What socialist left? What country are you living in?
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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Hi all . I just wanted to start a new thread as I am sick and tired of being taken for a mug by the socialist left who think its prudent to continue taxing the sh.ite out of me for girls to have multiple kids with no repercussions on them, or for people who think the dole is a career choice, or for a public sector who think like Yazz's very catchy song applies to their wages "the only way is up" Also on the right we have the shenanigans of the banking bailout, aswell as allowing the bondholders off scott free as well as now contemplating allowing anyone who bought a gaff and lost see their losses covered by the tax payer..

Why is it that these tax payers are on the lamb for everything. When will the gov make people accountable for their own decisions and let them take the pain for it. If we keep the nanny state and the continued approach of bailing anyone out who shouts loud enough no one and I mean no one will learn a damn thing and the same mistakes will be repeated.

The evidence of this is the surge of support for FF these c.unts ************************************ the country and if they keep on their upward trajectory they may well snake back into government in a few years time. Is it time for a party to stay centre tell loony lefties and shady righties to get their collective bargaining, bank bail outing hands out of the coffers. A party who looks to protect the income tax payer from paying more then they should would have a very good platform to start from IMO. Anyone any views on this.
By the way, in my opinion, no OP should be allowed on this site, if it contains the profanities, highlighted by me, above.
 

wexfordman

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The reality is that the best way of protecting 'taxpayers' is to reduce the amount of money the State spends. Turns out, we don't want our services to be cut back either.

Good luck squaring that circle.
Well, cutting back on spending does not neccessarily mean reducing services, there are plenty of ways to skin a cat.

I suppose other ways of protecting tax payer is not paying for NE losses as well.
 

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In my view there is certainly a role for a political party who's economic policy would include lower taxes and lower government expenditure.

I think such a party would get support from taxpayers who are having to pay for the wasters at both ends of the wasters scales.

Nobody should waste their time invoking the PD's.
The PD's ably helped FF when dishing out the largesse 2002-2007.
What a discredited bunch they were.
The purpose of the Ponzi Democrats was to minimize tax exposure for the rich, and maximize theit ability to get money out of those who work.

They were a party whose objective was to hold the balance of power, and get leverage for connected business interests. And they did this with massive effect.

The Irish media made sure that the Ponzi Democrats always held the balance of power.
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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Well, cutting back on spending does not neccessarily mean reducing services, there are plenty of ways to skin a cat.

I suppose other ways of protecting tax payer is not paying for NE losses as well.
Yeah it would be. Pity the State guaranteed the banks and recapitalised them a few years back.

I suppose a good way of correcting that mistake would be to ensure the money already paid for NE losses is passed on to the borrowers, so that they can spend there money in a manner which generates tax income.
 

iball123

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The reality is that the best way of protecting 'taxpayers' is to reduce the amount of money the State spends. Turns out, we don't want our services to be cut back either.

Good luck squaring that circle.
Squaring what circle that the gov deemed it prudent to protect ps wage and pensions over services...infact not only did they not protect services they let them diminish to near third world services over the last 5 years and in that time the tax payer has seen what they pay in tax go up year after year.
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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Squaring what circle that the gov deemed it prudent to protect ps wage and pensions over services...infact not only did they not protect services they let them diminish to near third world services over the last 5 years and in that time the tax payer has seen what they pay in tax go up year after year.
Are you aware of the 2 Croke Park deals? Are you aware of the pay cuts PS workers took? are you aware of the public sector pension levy? Are you aware of the cuts to PS pensions?

Have you ever availed of actual third world services?
 

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I heartily agree with the sentiments of the OP. There has to be a market for such a party, given the disappointment of those former FF & PD voters who voted for FG in the last election and got the current 'wag the dog' semi-socialist effort throwing a protective cover over the bloated public sector for another few years, increasing tax on the coping classes and failing to tackle political reform.

It would not, of course, get anywhere near enough seats to govern and would have to be pragmatic enough to join FG in Government to help it see the error of its current ways but also ensuring that Labour, FF and SF are kept out of office for at least two terms after 2016.
 

daveL

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We have two firmly Centrist parties already, both of whom are the subject of the ire of 90% on here.

Why would we need a third?
no we don't

we have three clientelist statist parties in FF, FG and Lab.

We do not have a true centrist party focused on the working taxpayer.
 

iball123

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Are you aware of the 2 Croke Park deals? Are you aware of the pay cuts PS workers took? are you aware of the public sector pension levy? Are you aware of the cuts to PS pensions?

Have you ever availed of actual third world services?
I am aware they have taken cuts and its about time. Are you aware how degraded services have become over the last 5 years and in that time tax has increased for the last 5 years. Are you also aware that the tax payer pool has decreased year in year out over the last 5 years. As I say we need a party that will not take any crap from Unions, bankers or bleeding heart socialists. We need someone to say enough is enough. The 1.8 million income tax payers drive everything in the economy (with the exception of the corpo tax) ..These people are on the lamb for stupid decisions made collectively and individually and the people making the decisions seem to get off scott free everytime
 

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For those who can't get away from labels and pigeon-holing and who grew up in the '70s, '80s or '90s, we are probably talking about a new party that would have back then been described as economically/fiscally conservative and socially moderate to liberal.
 

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For those who can't get away from labels and pigeon-holing and who grew up in the '70s, '80s or '90s, we are probably talking about a new party that would have back then been described as economically/fiscally conservative and socially moderate to liberal.
That's exactly what the PDs were - and look how it all turned out for them and us.
 

iball123

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no we don't

we have three clientelist statist parties in FF, FG and Lab.

We do not have a true centrist party focused on the working taxpayer.
That's exactly what the PDs were - and look how it all turned out for them and us.
The PDs made the mistake of going into Gov with FG , sure look at Labours popularity plummeting. I think its time for parties to understand that going into gov as the junior partner will always be detrimental to the party in the long run. They may well get on the gravy train for a few years but overall it usually get a hammering
 

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The PDs made the mistake of going into Gov with FG , sure look at Labours popularity plummeting. I think its time for parties to understand that going into gov as the junior partner will always be detrimental to the party in the long run. They may well get on the gravy train for a few years but overall it usually get a hammering
When were the PDs in govt with FG - I must have missed those fiscally responsible years?
 
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