Ireland declares war on its past!

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The Mother and Baby Homes Commission of Investigation has issued its 5th interim report today into the practices in Ireland operated by us from the 1920's and afterwards.
The report is highly critical of the Sisters of Bon Secours, officials of Galway County Council and the rest of the population at the time who supported such practises as life's limited experience at the time allowed.
So what should we do about the cultural practises that we all accepted without question in the past, the ones we pinned our hopes and beliefs on and offered our children to the cause closest to our hearts.
Should we disown our own past, find convenient scapegoats and pretend we were occupied by a nasty Catholic invasion force from Rome - or just learn about how we actually were then and move on?


People around Tuam 'must know more' about burials
 


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Great post
 

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Why don’t you move on?
 
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Why don’t you move on?
Absolutely
The dour faces of RTE News reporters today as if they only just became aware of a war their parents generation were actively supporting
This is your past son - so own it
 

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Its appalling that the files of this investigation are going to be suppressed for 75 years under govt plans reported last night on RTEs The Late Debate.
 

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Its appalling that the files of this investigation are going to be suppressed for 75 years under govt plans reported last night on RTEs The Late Debate.
Why are the files going to be closed for so long? Could they not be disclosed as soon as the last inmate has died?
 

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The Mother and Baby Homes Commission of Investigation has issued its 5th interim report today into the practices in Ireland operated by us from the 1920's and afterwards.
The report is highly critical of the Sisters of Bon Secours, officials of Galway County Council and the rest of the population at the time who supported such practises as life's limited experience at the time allowed.
So what should we do about the cultural practises that we all accepted without question in the past, the ones we pinned our hopes and beliefs on and offered our children to the cause closest to our hearts.
Should we disown our own past, find convenient scapegoats and pretend we were occupied by a nasty Catholic invasion force from Rome - or just learn about how we actually were then and move on?

People around Tuam 'must know more' about burials
Your post would carry more credibility if you were to describe what YOU did for the women in question.
 

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The Mother and Baby Homes Commission of Investigation has issued its 5th interim report today into the practices in Ireland operated by us from the 1920's and afterwards.
The report is highly critical of the Sisters of Bon Secours, officials of Galway County Council and the rest of the population at the time who supported such practises as life's limited experience at the time allowed.
So what should we do about the cultural practises that we all accepted without question in the past, the ones we pinned our hopes and beliefs on and offered our children to the cause closest to our hearts.
Should we disown our own past, find convenient scapegoats and pretend we were occupied by a nasty Catholic invasion force from Rome - or just learn about how we actually were then and move on?


People around Tuam 'must know more' about burials
Yep: how we actually were then is completely different to how we are now.

Then - the impoverished people involved in those life-and-death crises were cruel, unthinking, and unfeeling. They cared not a jot as sick and starving babies died at birth or that their young mothers, their own sisters and daughters, were in a battle for survival which they often lost.

Not like us to-day. If we had been there all would have been different. We would not have been poor. We would not have been exhausted or on the edge of starvation. We would have cared, because we are benign and caring unlike the generation of our parents and grandparents who were malign and uncaring.

How lucky we are to be such a beautiful generation. And so soon! And so different! Evolution certainly works fast and works miracles.
 

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Why are the files going to be closed for so long? Could they not be disclosed as soon as the last inmate has died?
The cheek of these useless politicians hiding the truth from us, they are a scandal.

These useless bastards are there to serve us, not the other way round, yet they can hide facts important to us from us.
 

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The Mother and Baby Homes Commission of Investigation has issued its 5th interim report today into the practices in Ireland operated by us from the 1920's and afterwards.
The report is highly critical of the Sisters of Bon Secours, officials of Galway County Council and the rest of the population at the time who supported such practises as life's limited experience at the time allowed.
So what should we do about the cultural practises that we all accepted without question in the past, the ones we pinned our hopes and beliefs on and offered our children to the cause closest to our hearts.
Should we disown our own past, find convenient scapegoats and pretend we were occupied by a nasty Catholic invasion force from Rome - or just learn about how we actually were then and move on?


People around Tuam 'must know more' about burials
Great question.

Irish people see the world as an open and welcoming place. When it comes to our worldview and the personality trait of anxiety/fear, then external adversaries and enemies don’t figure highly in our concerns about our place in the world. What we are doing is slowly creating a negativity about ourselves, the enemy is within, a sense of being neither at home in the past nor the present.

Whether through forgetting, suppression, disinterest, or failing to remember injustice and past human suffering; these options preclude learning from the past. A different perspective on the extent to which is is necessary even desirable to engage in obsessive rumination about past events comes form the following:

Talk Therapy Pivotal for Depressed Youth By Benedict Caarey October 2, 2007
Psychotherapeutic techniques like psychoanalysis and psychodynamic therapy, which deal with emotional conflict and are based on the idea that the exploration of past trauma is critical to healing, have been totally eclipsed by cognitive behavioral approaches. But returning to the past has fallen out of fashion among mental health professionals over the last 15 years. Research has convinced many therapists that understanding the past is not required for healing. That relatively new school holds that reviewing the past is not only unnecessary to healing, but can be counterproductive. Obsessive rumination about past events can trap patients in a self-defeating cycle from which they cannot extricate themselves. It can actually retard healing.
 

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Every country under the sun has records in regard to unmarried mothers, heretics, unwanted children , homosexuals, the poor which when judged by todays standards leave a lot to be desired. So lets not flog ourselves too much and put all of the blame on the RCC Society was different then ,
 

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So what should we do about the cultural practises that we all accepted without question in the past, the ones we pinned our hopes and beliefs on and offered our children to the cause closest to our hearts.
Should we disown our own past, find convenient scapegoats and pretend we were occupied by a nasty Catholic invasion force from Rome - or just learn about how we actually were then and move on?

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We'll move on.

I never had a problem with the church, but the spiel seemed 101% unlikely. You are left with well-meaning sentiments that most of us subscribe to anyway. A lot of pricey bling hokum to tell us what we already know.

In the late 1800s only 2 of our home rule MPs were bothered that there was no point in exchanging one foreign ruler (London) for another (Rome). But that's what we did anyways. I'm not embarrassed at the bad decisions of the past, but no longer want to pay for them.

Those MPs....


 

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McCarthy was not an MP, just a lawyer and prolific author.

The problem with the church is the talking down from on high, and the abasement and low self esteem that goes with it. That's not healthy.
 

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The Mother and Baby Homes Commission of Investigation has issued its 5th interim report today into the practices in Ireland operated by us from the 1920's and afterwards.
The report is highly critical of the Sisters of Bon Secours, officials of Galway County Council and the rest of the population at the time who supported such practises as life's limited experience at the time allowed.
So what should we do about the cultural practises that we all accepted without question in the past, the ones we pinned our hopes and beliefs on and offered our children to the cause closest to our hearts.
Should we disown our own past, find convenient scapegoats and pretend we were occupied by a nasty Catholic invasion force from Rome - or just learn about how we actually were then and move on?


People around Tuam 'must know more' about burials
Only one way to deal with stuff like this. And that is 'honestly'. The country awaits that realisation still from both the cult involved and the state. As it is the state and church concerned have managed with considerable aplomb to drag out the pain for everyone for decades.

One can only assume, if Mr Jesus is guiding said cult, that his status as an advisor should be reviewed if they genuinely think they are following that particular fellow's advice.
 


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