Ireland did not take its lead from Britain

McSlaggart

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So many unforeseen things have happened in the past few months that it is easy to miss a big thing that did not happen. In this existential crisis, Ireland did not take its lead from Britain. Not only that, but no sane person thought that it should.

Given the tragic mess that the Johnson-Cummings administration has made of its response to the pandemic, this seems obvious enough. But it does nonetheless feel like a moment of great psychological significance for Ireland – and one that says a lot about Britain’s standing in the world.

 


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Yourself and Ireland have a lot in common.
At least I am smart enough to work it out.

Do you ever notice how Defensive Irish People get when told the truth about the Importance of Ireland.

For some reason Irish People have to convince themselves that Ireland is Important when there is No Basis for this What So Ever.

If Ireland disappeared of the Face of the Earth Tomorrow the Rest of the World would Barely Notice.

Of course there are some Upsides to being a Place of No Importance but again the Irish people just cannot face this.

Ireland needs to face reality. It is of No Importance !
 

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At least I am smart enough to work it out.

Do you ever notice how Defensive Irish People get when told the truth about the Importance of Ireland.

For some reason Irish People have to convince themselves that Ireland is Important when there is No Basis for this What So Ever.

If Ireland disappeared of the Face of the Earth Tomorrow the Rest of the World would Barely Notice.

Of course there are some Upsides to being a Place of No Importance but again the Irish people just cannot face this.

Ireland needs to face reality. It is of No Importance !
Are you ok?
 

blinding

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Are you ok?
Thanks. I'm Great. I really get great satisfaction and realisation of how much good I am doing when I explain to Irish people how Un-Important Ireland is in the World.

For some reason Irish people have a desperate need to be Important in the World.

This is Completely Pointless and Irish people would be so much better off Basking in their total Un-Importance / Irrelevance. Off hand I cannot think of anywhere less Important than Ireland. This is Quite an Achievement for Ireland and may even be of a tiny importance it its own Un-Important way.

As I say ! Bask in being totally Un-important and Irrelevant. Just think of the Freedom that can Bring to You ! !
 

Ireniall

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Being of No Importance certainly has some Up-Sides. Ireland should pursue these rather than Pretending to be Important !
Unimportance is one of the great struggles that humans have to endure whether on a personal level or collectively. There is not a single nation which does not wish to be important but in reality there is little difference between most nations-only the really big ones really matter and only collectively not personally as large states tend to be less responsive to their people. But it's strange to see you making this argument because it is surely rampant industrial quantities of delusion of grandeur which is behind this brexitism that you approve of so much. One would have thought that if you want us to leave the EU you should be lying to us about how important we are like they did in Britain.
 

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So many unforeseen things have happened in the past few months that it is easy to miss a big thing that did not happen. In this existential crisis, Ireland did not take its lead from Britain. Not only that, but no sane person thought that it should.

Given the tragic mess that the Johnson-Cummings administration has made of its response to the pandemic, this seems obvious enough. But it does nonetheless feel like a moment of great psychological significance for Ireland – and one that says a lot about Britain’s standing in the world.

I feel that something of a Rubicon has been crossed in that it seems obvious that the weight of history , both psychologically as well as the reality of it is proving too much of a burden on the people of Britain and leading them into a policy of isolation or a policy which will lead to isolation. In any previous time a government which presided over the shambles that is their response to Covid would be under pressure to survive but because of the brexit imperative all critical faculties are suspended. Childish soundbites ('a world class border' just the latest) are deployed in order to deflect from the destructive path which brexiteers are dragging the country. To quote Jonathan Lis-'with every shout of greatness they belittle the country further'. This is going to go on for a long time. In contrast Ireland , more and more , resembles a well-run moderate European country with enough wealth to look after every one reasonably well , a young mixed population and no grotesque distortions of culture, class or history. Even NI with its terrible inheritance is slowly coming this way. It's a triumph-a belated one but still a triumph.
 

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At least I am smart enough to work it out.

Do you ever notice how Defensive Irish People get when told the truth about the Importance of Ireland.

For some reason Irish People have to convince themselves that Ireland is Important when there is No Basis for this What So Ever.

If Ireland disappeared of the Face of the Earth Tomorrow the Rest of the World would Barely Notice.

Of course there are some Upsides to being a Place of No Importance but again the Irish people just cannot face this.

Ireland needs to face reality. It is of No Importance !
“If Ireland disappeared of the Face of the Earth Tomorrow the Rest of the World would Barely Notice.”


A lot of CEO’s, Facebook, Intel, Google, Apple etc would be upset over the loss of many 100’s of Billion dollars of assets, for about 5 minutes, then they would realize that the loss of assets is a Huge write off on their taxes :)


As for the their employees in Ireland, in the US it is common for large companies to take out insurance on their employees, if that's true in Ireland then the Multi nationals might actually make a profit off the loss of Ireland.
 

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We did this when we opted to stay in the EU .... we went, both instinctively and rationally, with our historic connections to Europe, which are deep-rooted in Irish Nationalism.

We have deep connections to the Anglosphere (USA, UK, and the former Dominions like Canada, Australia and New Zealand) but they are been balanced out at different times with alignments to European powers, especially France and Spain.

At the moment, we have shied away from the Trumpian-Brexit direction of the Anglosphere, feeling that both US and the UK are making mistakes of monumental proportions, a view that seems to be shared in Scotland, and (to a lesser extent) in Wales.


So I disagree with Fintan O'Toole's "For once, .... ". We have never been fully-paid up members of the Anglosphere, and never will be. That is what being Independent is all about.

On coronavirus we got it right, and (it seems) on Brexit too.
 

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So many unforeseen things have happened in the past few months that it is easy to miss a big thing that did not happen. In this existential crisis, Ireland did not take its lead from Britain. Not only that, but no sane person thought that it should.

Given the tragic mess that the Johnson-Cummings administration has made of its response to the pandemic, this seems obvious enough. But it does nonetheless feel like a moment of great psychological significance for Ireland – and one that says a lot about Britain’s standing in the world.

ROI has one of the world's highest death tolls.
 

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Ireland is an Insignificant Country of No Importance.
Most of us know that in Ireland. The British don't realise they are in the same boat, they still cling to the notion they are a world power, it's amusing
 

Lord Talbot

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We did this when we opted to stay in the EU .... we went, both instinctively and rationally, with our historic connections to Europe, which are deep-rooted in Irish Nationalism.

We have deep connections to the Anglosphere (USA, UK, and the former Dominions like Canada, Australia and New Zealand) but they are been balanced out at different times with alignments to European powers, especially France and Spain.

At the moment, we have shied away from the Trumpian-Brexit direction of the Anglosphere, feeling that both US and the UK are making mistakes of monumental proportions, a view that seems to be shared in Scotland, and (to a lesser extent) in Wales.


So I disagree with Fintan O'Toole's "For once, .... ". We have never been fully-paid up members of the Anglosphere, and never will be. That is what being Independent is all about.

On coronavirus we got it right, and (it seems) on Brexit too.
Europe is protected by Anglosphere security and powered by Russian oil.
 

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At least I am smart enough to work it out.

Do you ever notice how Defensive Irish People get when told the truth about the Importance of Ireland.

For some reason Irish People have to convince themselves that Ireland is Important when there is No Basis for this What So Ever.

If Ireland disappeared of the Face of the Earth Tomorrow the Rest of the World would Barely Notice.

Of course there are some Upsides to being a Place of No Importance but again the Irish people just cannot face this.

Ireland needs to face reality. It is of No Importance !
What are you blathering about. The linked article in the op is making the point that because we are Independent of the UK we had our own response to Covid and it was better much better than Westminster. You've totally missed the point of the thread.
 


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