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Ireland Invaded 1940 thread


Green eyed monster

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What they never realise about the IRA is that it's strength could never be definitively assessed - it depends on the circumstances, put British boots into Ireland and it grows exponentially - i wonder if that would also have been the case with a German invasion?

WW2 was a close shave for Ireland, things could have gotten extremely vicious on this island if it had come to an Ireland-Germany-UK conflict. I feel there would have been many in the British state who would have been only too happy to wipe us out entirely then and an alleged German-fraternisation would have been as good an excuse as any to do it, not to mention the Germans themselves and their record for genocide during this period.

There is a Unionist guy on that link who keeps posting happy smilies whenever he writes something negative about Ireland, i wonder how he would react if i wrote about the 'history of the Irish Unionists from 1916-1999', or better yet drew up a chart of how their power and influence changed over time during this period - and posted smilies on the end of it.....
 

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The IFS had died before 1940, the country no longer went by that name once the constitution was ratified. It became Ireland or √Čire.
 

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If Britain had fallen there would have been no need for the Germans to invade.

We would have been left more or less alone in the South anyway.

I would have said that in such a scenario Germany would have occupied the North and imposed a strict but firm rule.

I would presume Hitler would have then turned East in early 1941 and tried to bring down the Soviet Union.

A Celtic Legion for the Ost Front perhaps? ;)
 

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A number of points need to be made here.

The IRA in the period 1919-1921 had held down 100,000 plus British military personnel of all types (regular army, auxies, black & tans, coastguard) plus the RIC had largely deserted their posts, some joining the IRA. The British had detailed maps of the entire island of Ireland plus many personnel who knew the country well and a small section of the southern population who were loyal to the Crown. They also spoke a common language with with Irish people (leaving aside its history for a moment). Contrast this with the Germans, most of whose maps and information was woefully inadequate and out of date, few of whom spoke good and almost all of whom spoke English with, em German accents. The Germans also would have had few allies north of the border.

It is a matter of fact that there were contacts between the IRA and Germany but an invading German army would be a different matter. The Germans may have overrun most of Europe in 1938-1941 but few of these missions involved large islands with hostile populations. It would have been no Stalingrad, but it wouldn't have been a walkover either.
 

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Catalpa said:
If Britain had fallen there would have been no need for the Germans to invade.

We would have been left more or less alone in the South anyway.

I would have said that in such a scenario Germany would have occupied the North and imposed a strict but firm rule.

I would presume Hitler would have then turned East in early 1941 and tried to bring down the Soviet Union.

A Celtic Legion for the Ost Front perhaps? ;)
Don't you mean in such a scenario De Valera would have occupied the North ;)
 

Eddie Collins

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Germany would have invaded, not least to prevent the possibility of the US using Ireland as a staging post to invade Europe.

And Germany would have crushed and pacified Ireland in a few days with ease and with very few soldiers.

The Germans wouldn't be pussyfooting around like the British.

Each German murdered by an IRA sniper or bomb would have resulted in severe reprisals with hundreds of locals executed.
 

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Podolski said:
A number of points need to be made here.

The IRA in the period 1919-1921 had held down 100,000 plus British military personnel of all types (regular army, auxies, black & tans, coastguard) plus the RIC had largely deserted their posts, some joining the IRA. The British had detailed maps of the entire island of Ireland plus many personnel who knew the country well and a small section of the southern population who were loyal to the Crown. They also spoke a common language with with Irish people (leaving aside its history for a moment). Contrast this with the Germans, most of whose maps and information was woefully inadequate and out of date, few of whom spoke good and almost all of whom spoke English with, em German accents. The Germans also would have had few allies north of the border.

It is a matter of fact that there were contacts between the IRA and Germany but an invading German army would be a different matter. The Germans may have overrun most of Europe in 1938-1941 but few of these missions involved large islands with hostile populations. It would have been no Stalingrad, but it wouldn't have been a walkover either.
Comparing the technology of the tans in 1920 with the German army of 1940 is stretching it to say the least . We would have been blitzed into submission without to much difficulty .
 

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Eddie Collins said:
Each German murdered by an IRA sniper or bomb would have resulted in severe reprisals with hundreds of locals executed.
But the IRA was working WITH the Nazis. Had Hitler invaded, it would be likely that the Germans would have put in some Irish republican Quisling type figure to run the country.
 

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essexboy said:
Catalpa said:
If Britain had fallen there would have been no need for the Germans to invade.

We would have been left more or less alone in the South anyway.

I would have said that in such a scenario Germany would have occupied the North and imposed a strict but firm rule.

I would presume Hitler would have then turned East in early 1941 and tried to bring down the Soviet Union.

A Celtic Legion for the Ost Front perhaps? ;)
Don't you mean in such a scenario De Valera would have occupied the North ;)
No - Dev would have not tried that one on until he saw which way the cat jumped - and I don't think he would have gone ahead with it unless the North imploded prior to the Germans landing there.

IMO Hitler would have included the North within any surrender terms reached with the British forces.

Maybe after War was over they might have agreed to unification but if you ask me they would have handed over the Nationalist areas through local plebiscites and that would be it.

But sure who knows - its interesting speculation though!
 

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Keith-M said:
[quote="Eddie Collins":2sgxn2cu]
Each German murdered by an IRA sniper or bomb would have resulted in severe reprisals with hundreds of locals executed.
But the IRA was working WITH the Nazis. Had Hitler invaded, it would be likely that the Germans would have put in some Irish republican Quisling type figure to run the country.[/quote:2sgxn2cu]

Fair point - but it depends on how useful/hostile Ireland turned out to be.

And even with Quisling, Norway was occupied by several hundred thousand German soldiers
 

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Of course the Germans would have invaded if Britain fell.

They wanted the swastika to cover Europe and leaving a poorly defended Ireland alone would have been illogical from their point of view.

Once the IRA helped them to round up the local Jewish population, I imagine we would have become something like Vichy France. No democracy, no parliament, and ruled by a German appointed over-lord.
 

Eddie Collins

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White Horse said:
Of course the Germans would have invaded if Britain fell.

They wanted the swastika to cover Europe and leaving a poorly defended Ireland alone would have been illogical from their point of view.

Once the IRA helped them to round up the local Jewish population, I imagine we would have become something like Vichy France. No democracy, no parliament, and ruled by a German appointed over-lord.
GERRY Adams sounds a shoe-in ....if he was old enough.
 

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There wasn't a chance of the Germans invading Ireland in 1940 or 1941

The nearest French port to Ireland is Brest in Brittany.

A German fleet would have had to pass the Cornish and Welsh coasts, at the time the British had Naval superiority and would have destroyed the fleet.

Luftwaffe air superiority would mean nothing since British Destroyers and Torpedo boats could attack at night.

An attack by paratroops would fail also since even if they achieved initial success they would be overcome by lack of supplies and British forces with tanks and heavy weapons would come in from NI.

De Valera made it clear that if one side invaded he would accept help from the other side.

The only scenario where Ireland would face German invasion is if Britain was successfully invaded first, but in that case the Government would have hastened to make some accomodation with the Nazis, distasteful as that may be.

We were protected by geography from a Nazi invasion
 

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Breadan O'Connor said:
There wasn't a chance of the Germans invading Ireland in 1940 or 1941

The nearest French port to Ireland is Brest in Brittany.

A German fleet would have had to pass the Cornish and Welsh coasts, at the time the British had Naval superiority and would have destroyed the fleet.

Luftwaffe air superiority would mean nothing since British Destroyers and Torpedo boats could attack at night.

An attack by paratroops would fail also since even if they achieved initial success they would be overcome by lack of supplies and British forces with tanks and heavy weapons would come in from NI.

De Valera made it clear that if one side invaded he would accept help from the other side.

The only scenario where Ireland would face German invasion is if Britain was successfully invaded first, but in that case the Government would have hastened to make some accomodation with the Nazis, distasteful as that may be.

We were protected by geography from a Nazi invasion
You mean protected by the British.......

I think the scenario being considered was if the British HAD been defeated - and in that situation Ireland would have been invaded, crushed and pacified with ease.
 

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Breadan O'Connor said:
[quote="Eddie Collins":2owp0915]
You mean protected by the British.......

I think the scenario being considered was if the British HAD been defeated - and in that situation Ireland would have invaded, crushed and pacified with ease.
If the British had been defeated it would have been suicidal to fight alone against the Nazis.[/quote:2owp0915]

Agreed.
 
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