Ireland leading EU policy

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Given the abuse that Ireland has received across the EU members for its decision in protecting depositors its pretty striking that Greece, Denmark and Germany so far have followed suit with a number of other countrys likely to follow.

So much for the idea that Ireland as a small country can't influence EU members policy.
 


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didnt stop the competition comissioner coming out and giving us a bollocking about it.

in fact the only reason we wont end up in trouble now is BECAUSE germany is doing it too (we are after all ONLY talking about the saving part of the deal here). i still fully expect to hear more about the loans guarentee part.

have no illusions though, we went on a solo run and the EU aint happy. the fact others joined us will probably only compound it.
 

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EU Exposed.

I thought that the EU undemocratic nature would mean that it would be stronger in times such as now but it still can't make a decision in the ongoing crisis.

Ireland's relationship with the EU has turned upside-down over that last 6 months, firstly by the public voting NO to Lisbon and now our own government are doing the same, I think Ireland's actions have exposed everything thats wrong with the EU.
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have no illusions though, we went on a solo run and the EU aint happy
So, an EU member state acts to try and stabilise its domestic economy and the EU gets pissed off about it, threatening sanctions. Yet another sign, if one was needed, that the EU is infringing upon the sovereignty of it's member states.

If any aspect of a sovereign state (territory, economy, population, etc) is seen as being threatened, then that state should have the ability to act in whatever manner it sees as necessary to counter-act that threat. The EU, through its' various laws and agreements, places serious constraints on a member states' ability to act effectively in such situations and some day that could prove fatal for one of the smaller EU states.
 

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It shows that Ireland still has influence on EU policy despite having voted no.
 

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Every European Union leader has signed up to the following statement:

All the leaders of the European Union make clear that each of them will take whatever measures are necessary to maintain the stability of the financial system - whether through liquidity support through central banks, action to deal with individual banks or enhanced depositor protection schemes.

While no depositors in our countries' banks have lost any money, we will continue to take the necessary measures to protect both the system and individual depositors. In taking these measures, European leaders acknowledge the need for close coordination and cooperation.
 

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Given the abuse that Ireland has received across the EU members for its decision in protecting depositors its pretty striking that Greece, Denmark and Germany so far have followed suit with a number of other countrys likely to follow.

So much for the idea that Ireland as a small country can't influence EU members policy.
who ever said they can't influence EU members policy?
 

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It shows that Ireland still has influence on EU policy despite having voted no.

How does it show that? I don't see EU policy being mention anywhere in this thread....
 

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That's kinda like saying an arsonist with a match can have an influence on a stack of hay.
A better analogy would be with the Roman general Fabius Maximus, whose tactics against the problem of Hannibal were at first derided by the Senate, which later reinstated him when they realised he was right.

geraghd said:
How does it show that? I don't see EU policy being mention anywhere in this thread....
It shows it because the attitudes of the Big States naturally feed into EU policy, as shown by the fact that the Big States that violated the Maastricht criteria on budget deficits were not reprimanded whereas Ireland was in 2001 based on a very questionable interpretation of those criteria.
 

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A better analogy would be with the Roman general Fabius Maximus, whose tactics against the problem of Hannibal were at first derided by the Senate, which later reinstated him when they realised he was right.



It shows it because the attitudes of the Big States naturally feed into EU policy, as shown by the fact that the Big States that violated the Maastricht criteria on budget deficits were not reprimanded whereas Ireland was in 2001 based on a very questionable interpretation of those criteria.
Yes but we are not seeing EU policy here, merely policy by individual member states.
 

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Lenihan panicked

didnt stop the competition comissioner coming out and giving us a bollocking about it.

in fact the only reason we wont end up in trouble now is BECAUSE germany is doing it too (we are after all ONLY talking about the saving part of the deal here). i still fully expect to hear more about the loans guarentee part.

have no illusions though, we went on a solo run and the EU aint happy. the fact others joined us will probably only compound it.
The panicked decision by the two Brians forced other EU governments to rush in and try and protect their banks. The result is that we are back to square one. All Lenihan has achieved is to throw petrol on the flames of the financial collapse.

What is Lenihan going to do next! Guarantee bank borrowers! Nothing would suprise me. The gombeens in Fianna Fail are fast approaching their (and our) Stalingrad.

Enda Kenny and the Shinners supported this fiasco! Christ!

We voted these stupid b$stards into office.

Prepare for suffering.
 

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The panicked decision by the two Brians forced other EU governments to rush in and try and protect their banks. The result is that we are back to square one. All Lenihan has achieved is to throw petrol on the flames of the financial collapse.

What is Lenihan going to do next! Guarantee bank borrowers! Nothing would suprise me. The gombeens in Fianna Fail are fast approaching their (and our) Stalingrad.

Enda Kenny and the Shinners supported this fiasco! Christ!

We voted these stupid b$stards into office.

Prepare for suffering.

I agree with a lot of those sentiments

Having lived and worked in several EU countries which are in general already over taxed this action has triggered a cascade event from which ROI will come out looking like very very bad

Simply with the melt down the other EU places are too busy putting out thier own fires to give Ireland the bollocking

However when this mess is over its goona be very bad
Pissing the rather rich and succesful Germans off is a bad move


At the end of the day ROI is 1/3 of 1% of the total EU GDP so the lunitic idea we can influence things is nuts

Basically we spilt more oil on the floor and the EU which were slipping around from spilt oil than finds we threw more oil at the problem cant see that we undersatand the plot quit spilling oil on the slipery floor

If EU satabilize they wont be amused from this act of throwing oil onto troubled waters

The concept of backing all deposits is not a new idea
This is held back in reserve for the last moment

The idea of helping banks loaning between themselfs is not new but is mostly done in a case buy case basis and not one big paintbrush action except when things were a lot lot worse than presently

The Irish action is putting all the cards on the table with no reserve back up solutions at the begining of the game


Anyway the whole thing is is going belly up so fast that its gonna be a whirl wind

The markets today went south fast world wide

Iceland could be going belly up

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The panicked decision by the two Brians forced other EU governments to rush in and try and protect their banks. The result is that we are back to square one. All Lenihan has achieved is to throw petrol on the flames of the financial collapse.

What is Lenihan going to do next! Guarantee bank borrowers! Nothing would suprise me. The gombeens in Fianna Fail are fast approaching their (and our) Stalingrad.

Enda Kenny and the Shinners supported this fiasco! Christ!

We voted these stupid b$stards into office.

Prepare for suffering.
3 years on. Spot on.
 


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