Ireland must impose border controls with the UK now!

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So we hear that deaths from Covid 19 have now spiked over 100 in the UK. And UK experts have warned that the true number of Covid 19 infections in the UK may be higher than 70,000. This is a truly huge number and indicates the virus is already multiplying out of control in the UK. The crisis in the UK must be partly blamed on a very confused and tardy response by the British government. And we have seen media pictures of British revellers still partying in crowded pubs and clubs.

Ireland's response to the virus has, so far, been markedly better than that of the British. This is reflected in a seemingly lower death-rate so far.

But Ireland must now face the reality that our control measures will count for nothing unless our government imposes some control measures on entry points from the UK. I think all non-essential travel between the UK should be discouraged. Obviously some travel will have to be allowed for important business or personal reasons. All travellers coming in from Britain should be asked if they are feeling any symptoms and also have their temperatures taken. If symptoms are detected, then travellers will have to be quarantined.

Imposing border controls may seem anathema to our present government leaders but I believe the present crisis now necessitates it.
 


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So we hear that deaths from Covid 19 have now spiked over 100 in the UK. And UK experts have warned that the true number of Covid 19 infections in the UK may be higher than 70,000. This is a truly huge number and indicates the virus is already multiplying out of control in the UK. The crisis in the UK must be partly blamed on a very confused and tardy response by the British government. And we have seen media pictures of British revellers still partying in crowded pubs and clubs.

Ireland's response to the virus has, so far, been markedly better than that of the British. This is reflected in a seemingly lower death-rate so far.

But Ireland must now face the reality that our control measures will count for nothing unless our government imposes some control measures on entry points from the UK. I think all non-essential travel between the UK should be discouraged. Obviously some travel will have to be allowed for important business or personal reasons. All travellers coming in from Britain should be asked if they are feeling any symptoms and also have their temperatures taken. If symptoms are detected, then travellers will have to be quarantined.

Imposing border controls may seem anathema to our present government leaders but I believe the present crisis now necessitates it.
"Border controls" is surely overkill. We know it is impossible to close the border with Northern Ireland, or control it, so that is out. There is already a joint North-South approach to the virus, so that should not be ditched overnight.

I am not sure if the absolute numbers count for all that much. Scotland, comparable to Ireland, has had 195 cases and 1 death. Wales has had 149 cases, not sure about deaths. Should they close their border? In the UK, London and the South East are the black spots.

Given the Free Travel Area, a co-operative approach with the British would work much better. Perhaps travelers from London and the South East should be checked for symptoms, and for the virus if we have the capability.

But a unilateral hasty move might do more harm than good in the longer term.
 

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A 21 day lockdown here could put this entire thing to a halt. Look at how S Korea and (eventually) China succeeded. Save months of severe pain and damage to health and economy by 21 days of short sharp shock.
We would however have to lock our borders with the UK until they cop on.
 

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The UK response has improved significantly over the last two days, but they need to improve their testing and follow up. If they don't have an idea where the disease is, it is it is difficult to deal with it.
 

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Ireland must impose border controls with the UK now!
if what you mean is -

Ireland must impose border controls with Britain now!

i agree with you 100%
the Irish 'herd' must be isolated as far as possible from the British 'herd'.
the virus must be fought on an all island basis.

the Brexit Brits like like Trumps US have been totally irresponsible.
 

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if what you mean is -

Ireland must impose border controls with Britain now!

i agree with you 100%
the Irish 'herd' must be isolated as far as possible from the British 'herd'.
the virus must be fought on an all island basis.

the Brexit Brits like like Trumps US have been totally irresponsible.
Exactly - but we can't because England still occupies part of Ireland.

If there was real democracy in Ireland, England would have been shown the door a long time ago.
 

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So we hear that deaths from Covid 19 have now spiked over 100 in the UK. And UK experts have warned that the true number of Covid 19 infections in the UK may be higher than 70,000. This is a truly huge number and indicates the virus is already multiplying out of control in the UK. The crisis in the UK must be partly blamed on a very confused and tardy response by the British government. And we have seen media pictures of British revellers still partying in crowded pubs and clubs.

Ireland's response to the virus has, so far, been markedly better than that of the British. This is reflected in a seemingly lower death-rate so far.

But Ireland must now face the reality that our control measures will count for nothing unless our government imposes some control measures on entry points from the UK. I think all non-essential travel between the UK should be discouraged. Obviously some travel will have to be allowed for important business or personal reasons. All travellers coming in from Britain should be asked if they are feeling any symptoms and also have their temperatures taken. If symptoms are detected, then travellers will have to be quarantined.

Imposing border controls may seem anathema to our present government leaders but I believe the present crisis now necessitates it.
Sorry, you're in the Common Travel Area.
 

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Exactly - but we can't because England still occupies part of Ireland.

If there was real democracy in Ireland, England would have been shown the door a long time ago.

Look - it's the Free Stater.

Still in denial.
 

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A 21 day lockdown here could put this entire thing to a halt. Look at how S Korea and (eventually) China succeeded. Save months of severe pain and damage to health and economy by 21 days of short sharp shock.
We would however have to lock our borders with the UK until they cop on.

How could you possibly seal the border between NI and the ROI, never mind keep that up for 21 days?
 

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How could you possibly seal the border between NI and the ROI, never mind keep that up for 21 days?
Right. It’s not possible. Our govts should focus on what is possible.
 

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How could you possibly seal the border between NI and the ROI, never mind keep that up for 21 days?
Arlene Foster now says she does not want to follow the UK herd immunity course of action. Bit late but better than never.
 

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How could you possibly seal the border between NI and the ROI, never mind keep that up for 21 days?
you couldn't,
But you could seal the border between Britain & Ireland,
& in an effort to not reach that stage, we should have been united here on this island on fighting the virus,
& it's criminal that we've not been doing that,
& we know whose fault that is.

The good news is that it's not too late to do the right thing.
 
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This can’t be right. I’ve been reading for a long time, on this very forum, that establishing a border would be tantamount to an act of way, tearing up the GFA and spitting in the face of Ireland. Solidarity brothers!
 

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This can’t be right. I’ve been reading for a long time, on this very forum, that establishing a border would be tantamount to an act of way, tearing up the GFA and spitting in the face of Ireland. Solidarity brothers!
ROI is still a sovereign state (just about).

Temporary controls for several months could be done.

But the Irish Tories seem to think that it is better to have people die than upset anyone.
 

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A 21 day lockdown here could put this entire thing to a halt. Look at how S Korea and (eventually) China succeeded. Save months of severe pain and damage to health and economy by 21 days of short sharp shock.
We would however have to lock our borders with the UK until they cop on.
if you want to impose borders within the island, you should do so on the basis of evidence.

most recent data - of the 443 cases on the island, 129 are in Dublin,
so maybe you might like to construct your border around Dublin ?
& you might like to follow the line of the Pale of yore ?

Cork has 48 cases, so you might like to construct another one of your borders around Cork ?
we don't have a breakdown of our six north-eastern counties, but one would suspect that Belfast would have a significant number of cases - maybe a similar number to Cork ,
so how about another of your famous borders around Belfast ?
 

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if you want to impose borders within the island, you should do so on the basis of evidence.

most recent data - of the 443 cases on the island, 129 are in Dublin,
so maybe you might like to construct your border around Dublin ?
& you might like to follow the line of the Pale of yore ?

Cork has 48 cases, so you might like to construct another one of your borders around Cork ?
we don't have a breakdown of our six north-eastern counties, but one would suspect that Belfast would have a significant number of cases - maybe a similar number to Cork ,
so how about another of your famous borders around Belfast ?
Be careful what you wish for. It could come to that.
 


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