Ireland plays "diplomatic blinder" in avoiding action on climate change

Wascurito

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An Taisce seems to be giving the government the equivalent of a back-handed compliment by accusing the government of playing a diplomatic blinder in securing a deal that effectively "rewards" the country for "doing nothing" with regard to carbon emissions.

Meanwhile, the powerful farm lobby seems to be delighted.

So, can the government take credit for the diplomatic equivalent of fancy footwork? Or should we as a country being doing more to reduce carbon emissions?
 


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Wascurito

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Bit of both, why not?

Some an taisce members drive around in cars, don't they? Fly in planes?
Someone has to attend those international conferences.

They should all be vegans.
 

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Fair play to us. We are finally nearly as good as the Germans at something then.
 

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I think the Carbon Sink issue is relevant. Vegetation and forests does store carbon gasses.

On the other hand recent years have witnessed unprecedented frequency of flooding. Formerly once per century events are happening one per decade. Successive Irish govts have failed to grasp the nettle of climate action. I recall over 20 yrs ago when Brendan Howlin was Environment Minister and that govt also argued at the UN that we needed allowances for our rapidly growing economy. Noone in that chamber is going to do any different in terms of the gravity with which this is treated imho.
 

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Someone has to attend those international conferences.

They should all be vegans.

Can't they attend on line, and save zillions of tons of CO2?

You know, using the internet like?

Plus we know what they're going to say before they've reached the airport VIP lounge.
 

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Regardless of the short-term derogation we might have 'won' this is kicking the can down the road stuff.

We need to reduce fossil fuel dependency as we are exposing ourselves to huge risks should the cost shoot up.

Also, having highly polluting agriculture is quite pointless. We are often producing unbranded, bulk product at high environment cost instead of producing smaller quantities of high value added product at low environmental cost.

Ireland should be trading on being a green, natural, super high quality source of food, not competing with the likes of Brazil for bulk. It makes no sense.

We could be producing less and getting paid a lot more for it and having a far nicer landscape and environment as a result.
 

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Regardless of the short-term derogation we might have 'won' this is kicking the can down the road stuff.

We need to reduce fossil fuel dependency as we are exposing ourselves to huge risks should the cost shoot up.

Also, having highly polluting agriculture is quite pointless. We are often producing unbranded, bulk product at high environment cost instead of producing smaller quantities of high value added product at low environmental cost.

Ireland should be trading on being a green, natural, super high quality source of food, not competing with the likes of Brazil for bulk. It makes no sense.

We could be producing less and getting paid a lot more for it and having a far nicer landscape and environment as a result.
Tripe.


Despite the bluster, all the politicians know this is just fodder for the more stupid end of the electorate. They aren't worried a bit, because they know it is just a game they are playing:

German coalition negotiators agree to scrap 2020 climate target: sources
 

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The Irish are all mouth about climate change - until it comes
to cattle and sheep methane belches and farts....;)

Then it effects the agricultural pocket - and is a no no.:cool:
 

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Regardless of the short-term derogation we might have 'won' this is kicking the can down the road stuff.

We need to reduce fossil fuel dependency as we are exposing ourselves to huge risks should the cost shoot up.

Also, having highly polluting agriculture is quite pointless. We are often producing unbranded, bulk product at high environment cost instead of producing smaller quantities of high value added product at low environmental cost.

Ireland should be trading on being a green, natural, super high quality source of food, not competing with the likes of Brazil for bulk. It makes no sense.

We could be producing less and getting paid a lot more for it and having a far nicer landscape and environment as a result.
I don't think so

The myth of a fossil fuel phase-out | Opinion | Eco-Business | Asia Pacific

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https://www.ft.com/content/d2572cec-f470-11e7-88f7-5465a6ce1a00


The people won't have it
 

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Ireland should be trading on being a green, natural, super high quality source of food, not competing with the likes of Brazil for bulk. It makes no sense.

We could be producing less and getting paid a lot more for it and having a far nicer landscape and environment as a result.

Unicorns. The big money will be in unicorns.


Especially farming unicorn poo:

 

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I believe carbon emissions should be tackled, but it should not be done to the detriment of the economy and employment. What is the point in living in a greener world if it means many will be unemployed.

Along with reducing carbon emissions there needs to be investment in green jobs, along with scientific and technological advancement research to enable sectors/industries to convert to greener initiatives without laying off workforce.
 

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I believe carbon emissions should be tackled, but it should not be done to the detriment of the economy and employment. What is the point in living in a greener world if it means many will be unemployed.

Along with reducing carbon emissions there needs to be investment in green jobs, along with scientific and technological advancement research to enable sectors/industries to convert to greener initiatives without laying off workforce.
Good for you.

I think they shouldn't.


What is the point virtue signalling to the point that you make us all poorer.


Along with a rejection of Climate Alarmism, we need governments and central planners to stay the fúck away and let individual people decide what to invest in and consume. We don't need or want any people playing SimCity with our real world economy.
 

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Good for you.

I think they shouldn't.


What is the point virtue signalling to the point that you make us all poorer.


Along with a rejection of Climate Alarmism, we need governments and central planners to stay the fúck away and let individual people decide what to invest in and consume. We don't need or want any people playing SimCity with our real world economy.
So you believe we should continue as we are pumping toxins into the atmosphere which are causing serious harm to the environment?

I don't advocate making everyone poorer, if you read my post you'd soon realise that I suggest keeping people in employment and it should be given priority - as making the world greener shouldn't be to the detriment of the economy and employment.

You as a citizen are entitled to reject whatever you wish, but are you seriously going to go against experts within the field and suggest they are talking utter nonsense?

Also your regard to government and central planners is quite revealing, you obviously don't see the need for law and order, or decision making on a grand scale in what is good for the majority.

You aren't Danny Healy-Rae by any chance?
 


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