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Ireland South - 2019

wombat

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She wouldn't be alone in facing abuse. We're now seeing ministers and their families being besieged in their homes by riff-raff. A bit of unpleasantness on social media would be trivial compared to that.
That's exactly my point, why bother being an opposition backbencher with the abuse it engenders.
 


Uganda

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SF was fully entitled to seek a recount.
Every other party in their position would have done the same.
I don't disagree with your point.

But I was responding to a poster who felt the whole thing was a kick in the teeth to clune.

It was NI riada, Boylan (or is it NI beolan) and Mary lose who got the kick in the teeth.
 

bells of shando

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Who goes through the electoral register putting lines through names, filling out ballot papers (from the 'book of ballot papers that has been taken away), stamping them with the punch (that has also been taken away) and shoving them into ballot boxes that have been sealed? 'Quote,'

Who appoints the electoral officials , Who verifies the Electoral officials.
It is the age old question. Who guards the Guardians.
100 years of FF/FG. 2 cheeks of the same arse. Twinkle Dee and Twinkledum.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely/
 

hiding behind a poster

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And you do need to be alive to vote. Idiot. 'Quote.'

I will spell it out in simple terms, so even congenital idiots can understand.
Irelands electoral system is based on trust by the electorate on the process, and trust in the authorities to be honest.
There is no place for trust in an electoral system.
You may trust in God but not your Govt.

There is no requirement for Identity proof at the Polling stations.
The Electoral Register includes thousands of dead people and names of people who have long left the country.
The voting register is a fantasy, a concoction to facilitate vote rigging.
There is no shortage in Ireland of nefarious individuals with vested interests in the results, who have the means, motive and opportunity to use these false identities to manipulate the results. by stuffing ballot boxes.
Without verification there is no validity.

Results of Elections and referendum in Ireland cannot be trusted because the system is not valid.
Utter horsesh*t. Run along now, Gemma.
 

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I have attended loads of counts and you don't need anything other that observational skills which soldiers have to view a paper and put it into the correct pile, where does electoral law enter into that?
Wrong. You also need to know what constitutes a spoilt vote.
 

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Who goes through the electoral register putting lines through names, filling out ballot papers (from the 'book of ballot papers that has been taken away), stamping them with the punch (that has also been taken away) and shoving them into ballot boxes that have been sealed? 'Quote,'

Who appoints the electoral officials , Who verifies the Electoral officials.
It is the age old question. Who guards the Guardians.
100 years of FF/FG. 2 cheeks of the same arse. Twinkle Dee and Twinkledum.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely/
You do realise, of course, that every stage of the process can be witnessed by every candidate, or an agent thereof. The sealing of the boxes when the polls close, the totting up the total ballots cast into each box, and so on. Then they can also witness the unsealing of said boxes in the morning, and the reconciliation of the ballot papers there now with those in it the night before?

So why don't you just run for election, witness all this, point out the massive discrepancies the next day, and overturn the system?
 

Paddyc

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Who goes through the electoral register putting lines through names, filling out ballot papers (from the 'book of ballot papers that has been taken away), stamping them with the punch (that has also been taken away) and shoving them into ballot boxes that have been sealed? 'Quote,'

Who appoints the electoral officials , Who verifies the Electoral officials.
It is the age old question. Who guards the Guardians.
100 years of FF/FG. 2 cheeks of the same arse. Twinkle Dee and Twinkledum.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely/
So, do FF and FG take it in turns to win elections? A sort of gentlemans' pact? Between two parties that only stopped hating each other more than life itself a few years ago and merely cordially despise each other these days?

Did Labour get a seat at the big boys table in 1990 and lose it again a few years later? Were their ballot stuffers given a golden handshake and sworn to secrecy only to be taken on again in 2011?

When were SF, a party the others consider to be a bunch of murderers in badly fitting suits given the keys to the ballot boxes? And who the hell let Independents For (spare) Change loose on the ballot boxes?

Your tinfoil millinery is a little tight and cutting off the blood flow to your brain.
 

ireallyshouldknowbetter

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Astonishing stuff from Ni Riada, reported in today's IT, wherein the serial electoral failure suggests that a man wouldn't get the same type of criticism as Mary Lou (that's right, because politics is a notoriously kind and cuddly place for men) and muses on why working class people have stopped voting for Sinn Fein, chiding them for not understanding what they're doing. Clearly, they should know that their best interests are served by sending an intellectually deficient sexist self-pitying middle class social justice warrior to Europe to argue on their behalf.

 

bells of shando

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You do realise, of course, that every stage of the process can be witnessed by every candidate, or an agent thereof. The sealing of the boxes when the polls close, the totting up the total ballots cast into each box, and so on. 'Quote.'

This is simply not true. Experience on the ground when attempting to follow the chain of custody and storage of ballot boxes was forcefully prevented in many cases.
Electoral officials can be corrupted, official stamps can be easily copied. Interference with ballot boxes can be conducted when the chain of custody is not independently observed.
The electoral system is not secure on so many levels, or verifiable, and has not been fit for purpose for many years
 
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the secretary

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You do realise, of course, that every stage of the process can be witnessed by every candidate, or an agent thereof. The sealing of the boxes when the polls close, the totting up the total ballots cast into each box, and so on. 'Quote.'

This is simply not true. Experience on the ground when attempting to follow the chain of custody and storage of ballot boxes was forcefully prevented in many cases.
Electoral officials can be corrupted, official stamps can be easily opied. Interference with ballot boxes can be conducted when the chain of custody is not independently observed.
The electoral system is not secure on so many levels, or verifiable, and has not been fit for purpose for many years
Its not fit for purpose only for those who don't get the result they want.
 

bells of shando

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Its not fit for purpose only for those who don't get the result they want. 'Quote'.
The weasel words of one who cannot face the harsh reality ,that our electoral symptom is corrupt and has been for many years.
 

the secretary

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Its not fit for purpose only for those who don't get the result they want. 'Quote'.
The weasel words of one who cannot face the harsh reality ,that our electoral symptom is corrupt and has been for many years.
How is it corrupt?
What elected Cllrs last week have come out and claimed that the system that elected them is corrupt?
 

Paddyc

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Its not fit for purpose only for those who don't get the result they want. 'Quote'.
The weasel words of one who cannot face the harsh reality ,that our electoral symptom is corrupt and has been for many years.
You do realise, of course, that every stage of the process can be witnessed by every candidate, or an agent thereof. The sealing of the boxes when the polls close, the totting up the total ballots cast into each box, and so on. 'Quote.'

This is simply not true. Experience on the ground when attempting to follow the chain of custody and storage of ballot boxes was forcefully prevented in many cases.
Electoral officials can be corrupted, official stamps can be easily copied. Interference with ballot boxes can be conducted when the chain of custody is not independently observed.
The electoral system is not secure on so many levels, or verifiable, and has not been fit for purpose for many years
By ‘independently observed’ do you mean Gemma staring at every ballot box all night long?

If your demented dribblings are to be taken seriously for a second it would entail a conspiracy of colossal proportions involving thousands of people in every election over generations, involving people and parties who otherwise despise each other, which has been successfully kept from the rest of us without a whisper of a leak.

Remember, Irish people have been agitating for the vote and using their vote and their elected representatives to effect change in parliaments for nearly two centuries now. This stuff goes deep with us and the notion that we would be party to a widespread generation spanning conspiracy to defraud that is risible, at best and delusional at worst.

Alternatively, we could believe that nobody wanted to vote for Gemma and the other assorted band of loons like Herman Kelly and Ben Gilroy.

Mr Occam, it’s time for a shave.
 
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Baron von Biffo

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Astonishing stuff from Ni Riada, reported in today's IT, wherein the serial electoral failure suggests that a man wouldn't get the same type of criticism as Mary Lou (that's right, because politics is a notoriously kind and cuddly place for men) and muses on why working class people have stopped voting for Sinn Fein, chiding them for not understanding what they're doing. Clearly, they should know that their best interests are served by sending an intellectually deficient sexist self-pitying middle class social justice warrior to Europe to argue on their behalf.

To be fair she could have a point. After all there was never a word of criticism of Haughey. Or Reynolds. Or Spring. Or Bruton. Or Kenny. Or Gilmore. Or even of her own predecessor, Adams.

Yeah, she's right. Those misogynist swine are just using her election disasters and incompetence as a flimsy excuse to criticise McDonald because she's a woman.
 

macedo

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I don't disagree with your point.
But I was responding to a poster who felt the whole thing was a kick in the teeth to clune.

It was NI riada, Boylan (or is it NI beolan) and Mary lose who got the kick in the teeth.
Ní Bhaoighealláin I think.

"Under her Irish-language name Lynn Ní Bhaoighealláin,[3] she stood at the 2007 general election as the Sinn Féin candidate in the Kerry South constituency.[4] With only 3.5% of the first-preference votes, she was eliminated on the first count."

 

bells of shando

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the notion that we would be party to a widespread generation spanning conspiracy to defraud. 'Quote.'
The naivety of Irelands electorate and their
belief in the honesty and integrity of their Govt is the reason the country is in debt of over 200 billion Euro and that debt can never be repaid,
It is the reason native Irish people will be a Minority in their own country in a generation.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Continue in your Happy Clappy delusional world or get off your behind and look about at the real collapsing society of Ireland.
Ireland Media will not inform you ,they stay in their Dublin 4 bunker.
 

ireallyshouldknowbetter

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To be fair she could have a point. After all there was never a word of criticism of Haughey. Or Reynolds. Or Spring. Or Bruton. Or Kenny. Or Gilmore. Or even of her own predecessor, Adams.

Yeah, she's right. Those misogynist swine are just using her election disasters and incompetence as a flimsy excuse to criticise McDonald because she's a woman.
That's very true. If you need any further proof, look no further than dear Ms. May. She was probably the greatest PM the UK has ever seen, and yet, for no other reason than her gender, the media and her own party ripped her to pieces.
 

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