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Ireland South - 2019

bells of shando

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That's very true. If you need any further proof, look no further than dear Ms. May. She was probably the greatest PM the UK has ever seen, and yet, for no other reason than her gender, the media and her own party ripped her to pieces.

You need to keep up with events.
Treason May is reviled for her betrayal of the democratic decision of 17.4 million Brits to leave the EU.
She lied continuously and colluded with the EU to prevent Brexit,
She will probably go down in History as the most incompetent PM ever and the catalyst for the destruction of the Tory Party.
 


shiel

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That's very true. If you need any further proof, look no further than dear Ms. May. She was probably the greatest PM the UK has ever seen, and yet, for no other reason than her gender, the media and her own party ripped her to pieces.

You need to keep up with events.
Treason May is reviled for her betrayal of the democratic decision of 17.4 million Brits to leave the EU.
She lied continuously and colluded with the EU to prevent Brexit,
She will probably go down in History as the most incompetent PM ever and the catalyst for the destruction of the Tory Party.
The opposite is the truth.

The UK and the Irish Republic signed the Good Friday Agreement to cooperate and draw a line under the previous seven centuries of colonial conflict.

Through voting for Brexit the UK tore up that cooperation Agreement signed with the Irish republic.

May, however, agreed to the backstop to keep the GFA in existence.

On the other hand Trump said we should build a wall across the island of Ireland.

Brexit means the UK ceasing to cooperate not alone with Ireland but also declaring economic/trade war on the nearly thirty democracies of the EU.

Farage and Johnson with the support of Trump propound the propaganda that former colonies including this colony should be treated with contempt.

That is pathetic.


Teresa May did not support that.
 
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ireallyshouldknowbetter

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That's very true. If you need any further proof, look no further than dear Ms. May. She was probably the greatest PM the UK has ever seen, and yet, for no other reason than her gender, the media and her own party ripped her to pieces.

You need to keep up with events.
Treason May is reviled for her betrayal of the democratic decision of 17.4 million Brits to leave the EU.
She lied continuously and colluded with the EU to prevent Brexit,
She will probably go down in History as the most incompetent PM ever and the catalyst for the destruction of the Tory Party.
I see spotting sarcasm isn't your strong suit.
 

ireallyshouldknowbetter

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Being let down once again by the working class must be particularly galling for Ni Riada given the sacrifices she claimed to have made on their behalf.

"In order to be in touch with the reality of what it’s like to be an ordinary working class person in Ireland, you need to be living in the same circumstances. That means having an average industrial wage and trying to make it stretch."

That's hilarious, because a year later, it emerged that she was just telling a bald-faced lie in that and other interviews, and was actually taking home 60,000 which is very far in excess of the average industrial wage.

 

Baron von Biffo

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That's hilarious, because a year later, it emerged that she was just telling a bald-faced lie in that and other interviews, and was actually taking home 60,000 which is very far in excess of the average industrial wage.

For all SF elected politicians the "I only take home the AIW" claim was always a 100% lie.

All SF elected politicians take home the entire salary and expenses (less statutory deductions) that they're entitled.

Some of them, the more gullible, chose to pay a relatively large portion of their income to the party. This is exactly the same as if they'd chosen to pay a membership fee to any other organisation or club.

The AIW claim was fundamentally dishonest, and that's even without considering the devious way they calculated it so that their net figure was the same as the gross AIW.
 

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For all SF elected politicians the "I only take home the AIW" claim was always a 100% lie.

All SF elected politicians take home the entire salary and expenses (less statutory deductions) that they're entitled.

Some of them, the more gullible, chose to pay a relatively large portion of their income to the party. This is exactly the same as if they'd chosen to pay a membership fee to any other organisation or club.

The AIW claim was fundamentally dishonest, and that's even without considering the devious way they calculated it so that their net figure was the same as the gross AIW.
It was always an utterly stupid thing to be claiming to be honest. There was no upside, because no one gives you credit for being too stupid to take your wages, but it gave opponent's a stick to beat them with when it emerged as it always would that they were taking more
 

hiding behind a poster

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You do realise, of course, that every stage of the process can be witnessed by every candidate, or an agent thereof. The sealing of the boxes when the polls close, the totting up the total ballots cast into each box, and so on. 'Quote.'

This is simply not true. Experience on the ground when attempting to follow the chain of custody and storage of ballot boxes was forcefully prevented in many cases.


Can you quote examples of candidates, or their agents, in possession of the required documentation, being forcefully prevented from witnessing the process?

Electoral officials can be corrupted, official stamps can be easily copied. Interference with ballot boxes can be conducted when the chain of custody is not independently observed.
The electoral system is not secure on so many levels, or verifiable, and has not been fit for purpose for many years
It is secure and verifiable on all levels, kiddo.
 

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Indeed and a halfwit could identify a questionable paper.
Once trained to know what they're looking for. Most people don't know the full list of criteria of a spoilt vote, the army or the unemployed are unlikely to be any different.
 

ymmek

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It was always an utterly stupid thing to be claiming to be honest. There was no upside, because no one gives you credit for being too stupid to take your wages, but it gave opponent's a stick to beat them with when it emerged as it always would that they were taking more
It certainly was but more important was the attitude of all the tds,officials,senators,party leader and others in the know who played along with and promoted the lie.

Such an attitude convinced many of us that SF had not changed at all and could not be trusted.

The sinister side to the party still holds sway and truth is still used sparingly.
 

bells of shando

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It is secure and verifiable on all levels, kiddo. 'Quote'


That is a cheque that is neither secure or verifiable and only promoted by FF/FG apparatchiks, who have vested interests in the electoral status quo.
 

the secretary

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It is secure and verifiable on all levels, kiddo. 'Quote'


That is a cheque that is neither secure or verifiable and only promoted by FF/FG apparatchiks, who have vested interests in the electoral status quo.
Can you give any examples of where it has been proven to be corrupt?
Can you supply any links for us?
What candidates that ran in the last local ans and European election have claimed so?
 

bells of shando

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Can you give any examples of where it has been proven to be corrupt? 'quote.'
You must be simple if you thing they are going to leave a trail of their vote rigging. That is the beauty of postal voting and dead and absent names on an electoral register. It is a reserve buffer stock to be called on when required and difficult to detect voting fraud in those cases
Exit polls are a means to check a result, if they are conducted by independent reliable people. I am not aware of exit polls at any of EU polling booths.
 
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Baron von Biffo

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Can you give any examples of where it has been proven to be corrupt?
Can you supply any links for us?
What candidates that ran in the last local ans and European election have claimed so?
You're replying to an account that's either:-

(a) A troll
(b) An imbecile
(c) Both of the above.
 

hiding behind a poster

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It is secure and verifiable on all levels, kiddo. 'Quote'


That is a cheque that is neither secure or verifiable and only promoted by FF/FG apparatchiks, who have vested interests in the electoral status quo.
You keep making claims for which you have zero evidence. Therefore why should anyone believe you?
 

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That'd be Gerry with a G, not Jerry with a J, who has an even longer line of cheerleaders, who are not just offended by mention of his name, but grossly offended.

Grossly.
But never grossly offended with the mention of Django Djorry!
 


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