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Ireland supported extraordinary rendition- joins Mauritania, Morocco, Pakistan in helping CIA


mido

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CIA rendition: more than a quarter of countries 'offered covert support' | World news | guardian.co.uk

Globalizing Torture: CIA Secret Detention and Extraordinary Rendition | Open Society Foundations (OSF)

As reported in today's Guardian , we are indeed in esteemed company in assisting the USA in what the report concludes

"engaging in torture and other abuses associated with secret detention and
extraordinary rendition, the U.S. government violated domestic and international
law, thereby diminishing its moral standing and eroding support for its
counterterrorism efforts worldwide as these abuses came to light. By enlisting
the participation of dozens of foreign governments in these violations, the United
States further undermined longstanding human rights protections enshrined in
international law—including, in particular, the norm against torture. As this report
shows, responsibility for this damage does not lie solely with the United States,
but also with the numerous foreign governments without whose participation
secret detention and extraordinary rendition operations could not have been
carried out"

we should be very very very proud of our enlightened and helpful policy to this work of the CIA. I sure those that facilitated would love the chance to experience "enhanced interogation techniques" used.
 

rash mulligan

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we should be very very very proud of our enlightened and helpful policy to this work of the CIA. I sure those that facilitated would love the chance to experience "enhanced interogation techniques" used.
Or maybe they'd prefer to be captured by Al-Queda or the Taliban.
 

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from Guardian article:

... the OSJI's rendition list also includes states such as Ireland, Iceland and Cyprus, which are accused of granting covert support for the programme by permitting the use of airspace and airports by aircraft involved in rendition flights.


It was universally known that Bertie Ahern, his Cabinet colleagues and fellow Fianna Fáil TDs were complicit in this.

The utter hypocrisy of the Green Party on the issue of Shannon was breathtaking.

The extremely muted response by the Great Irish Public does us no credit either! So long as those investment dollars kept rolling in, very few people wanted to risk upsetting the USA.
 

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I think the CIA is a fine upstanding organisation which does not engage in anything dodgey,

and certainly not in kidnapping and tourture,

And they defo don't monitor the Internet and blogs like this,

:)
 

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Misleading OP. One organisation, an NGO, accuses 57 countries of helping the rendition process based on interviews with those who have been through the rendition process. Also the OP mentions Mauritania, Morocco and Pakistan to try and lump us in with third world dumps but fails to mention that Sweden, Finland and Denmark are also mentioned.
 

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CIA rendition: more than a quarter of countries 'offered covert support' | World news | guardian.co.uk

Globalizing Torture: CIA Secret Detention and Extraordinary Rendition | Open Society Foundations (OSF)

As reported in today's Guardian , we are indeed in esteemed company in assisting the USA in what the report concludes

"engaging in torture and other abuses associated with secret detention and
extraordinary rendition, the U.S. government violated domestic and international
law, thereby diminishing its moral standing and eroding support for its
counterterrorism efforts worldwide as these abuses came to light. By enlisting
the participation of dozens of foreign governments in these violations, the United
States further undermined longstanding human rights protections enshrined in
international law—including, in particular, the norm against torture. As this report
shows, responsibility for this damage does not lie solely with the United States,
but also with the numerous foreign governments without whose participation
secret detention and extraordinary rendition operations could not have been
carried out"

we should be very very very proud of our enlightened and helpful policy to this work of the CIA. I sure those that facilitated would love the chance to experience "enhanced interogation techniques" used.
Good. Islamic terrorism is a treat to global peace and prosperity. I'm glad Ireland played a small part in combating it.
 

ne0ica

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Misleading OP. One organisation, an NGO, accuses 57 countries of helping the rendition process based on interviews with those who have been through the rendition process. Also the OP mentions Mauritania, Morocco and Pakistan to try and lump us in with third world dumps but fails to mention that Sweden, Finland and Denmark are also mentioned.
Heaven forbid someone tarnish Sweedens reputation as some sort of bleeding heart liberal utopia. If even Sweden was assisting the CIA, it shows the degree to which they saw Islamic terrorism as a treat.
 

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Good. Islamic terrorism is a treat to global peace and prosperity. I'm glad Ireland played a small part in combating it.
Is this the Islamic terorism armed, funded, trained and encouraged by the UK/USA?
 

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Heaven forbid someone tarnish Sweedens reputation as some sort of bleeding heart liberal utopia. If even Sweden was assisting the CIA, it shows the degree to which they saw Islamic terrorism as a treat.
Actually according to a Swedish parliamentary investigation,the swedish police did just that,the handing over to the CIA at Bromma airport
Of Muhammad al zery, his subsequent rendition to,and torture in Egypt,was in breech of both Swedish and International law.
The Swedish government awarded Mr Al Zery €350,000 granted him political asylum in Sweden whilst banning future rendition flights.
 

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I wouldn't lose too much sleep over the capture and movement of terrorists. They wouldn't lose too much sleep when they commit their terrorist atrocities.
 
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greenbacks

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I wouldn't loose to much sleep over the capture and movement of terrorists. They wouldn't loose to much sleep when the commit their terrorist atrocities.
You are deeply conditioned and brainwashed by MSM.
 

davidv

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Misleading OP. One organisation, an NGO, accuses 57 countries of helping the rendition process based on interviews with those who have been through the rendition process. Also the OP mentions Mauritania, Morocco and Pakistan to try and lump us in with third world dumps but fails to mention that Sweden, Finland and Denmark are also mentioned.

So if a morally corrupt swedish or finnish government are prepared to collude in torture and rendition, then a similarly corrupt irish government ought to also participate? It appears that it is Ok as long as long as the actual dirty work is done by third world regimes , which are in fact the loyal clients of the so- called civilised west. No wonder that poor people who live under OUR cosh resort to terrorism.
 

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I wouldn't loose to much sleep over the capture and movement of terrorists. They wouldn't loose to much sleep when the commit their terrorist atrocities.
How many innocent Irish people have been arrested on suspicion of terrorism? Even with proper legal safeguards, how many have been falsely convicted?

Maybe we had little option but to go along with these abductions, but it's hard to feel good about it.
 

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I really don't feel guilty over this, these people were more than likely terrorists and wanted to commit mass murder. So if Ireland helped the US in keeping citizens of the west safe from these extremists then i'm happy. Cue left wing outrage, but citizens are safer because of it.
 

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I really don't feel guilty over this, these people were more than likely terrorists and wanted to commit mass murder. So if Ireland helped the US in keeping citizens of the west safe from these extremists then i'm happy. Cue left wing outrage, but citizens are safer because of it.
The European Court of Human Rights decided otherwise here:

El-Masri v. Macedonia | Open Society Foundations (OSF)

The guilty ones are identified. You should read it. The plane he was transported in flew via Shannon to pick him up. An extract:

On December 31, 2003, Khaled El-Masri traveled from his home in Ulm, Germany, to Skopje in Macedonia, by bus. When he reached the border, Macedonian law enforcement officials confiscated his passport and detained him for several hours.

He was then transferred by armed officers in plainclothes to the Skopski Merak hotel in Skopje, where he was detained for 23 days, guarded at all hours by rotating shifts of armed Macedonian officers. The curtains were closed day and night, and he was not permitted to leave the room. He was interrogated repeatedly, and told to admit that he was a member of Al Qaeda. His frequent requests to see a lawyer, translator, or German consular official, or to contact his wife, were denied. When he once moved toward the door and attempted to leave, three of his captors pointed pistols at his head and threatened to shoot him. He went on hunger strike to protest his innocence.

Handover to the CIA

On January 23, 2004, seven or eight Macedonian men entered the hotel room, handcuffed and blindfolded El-Masri and placed him in a car. He was driven to Skopje airport. He was removed from the vehicle, still handcuffed and blindfolded, and was led to a building. Inside, he was told that he would be medically examined. Instead, he was beaten severely from all sides with fists and what felt like a thick stick. His clothes were sliced from his body with scissors or a knife, leaving him in his underwear. He was told to remove his underwear and he refused. He was beaten again, and his underwear was forcibly removed. He heard the sound of photographs being taken. He was thrown to the floor. His hands were pulled back and a boot was placed on his back. He then felt a firm object being forced into his anus.

El-Masri was pulled from the floor and dragged to a corner of the room. His blindfold was removed. A flash went off and temporarily blinded him. When he recovered his sight, he saw seven or eight men dressed in black and wearing black ski masks. One of the men placed him in a diaper. He was then dressed in a dark blue short-sleeved track suit and placed in a belt which was connected to chains that attached to his wrists and ankles. The men put earmuffs and eye pads on him, blindfolded him, and hooded him.

Flight to Afghanistan

El-Masri was then marched to a waiting aircraft, with the shackles cutting into his ankles. Once inside, he was thrown to the floor face down and his legs and arms were spread-eagled and secured to the sides of the aircraft. He felt an injection in his shoulder, and became lightheaded. He felt a second injection that rendered him nearly unconscious.

The men dressed in black clothing and ski masks were members of a United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) “black renditions” team, who were operating under the U.S. “extraordinary rendition” program.

Flight records show that on January 23, 2004, a Boeing 737 business jet owned by a U.S.-based corporation, Premier Executive Transportation Services, Inc., operated by another U.S.-based corporation, Aero Contractors Limited, and registered by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration as aircraft N313P, flew El-Masri from Macedonia via Baghdad to Afghanistan. The same plane has been identified as being involved in other rendition flights.
 

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I really don't feel guilty over this, these people were more than likely terrorists and wanted to commit mass murder. So if Ireland helped the US in keeping citizens of the west safe from these extremists then i'm happy. Cue left wing outrage, but citizens are safer because of it.
internment for all then? worked a treat in Northern Ireland
Operation Demetrius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or maybe all these successful examples are more to your liking
List of concentration and internment camps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Misleading OP. One organisation, an NGO, accuses 57 countries of helping the rendition process based on interviews with those who have been through the rendition process. Also the OP mentions Mauritania, Morocco and Pakistan to try and lump us in with third world dumps but fails to mention that Sweden, Finland and Denmark are also mentioned.
Do you not believe anything, if it is not mentioned in the likes of the Irish Indo?
 
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