Ireland's dependency culture: Is anything being done about it at all?

galteeman

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we have the highest percentage of jobless families in the original EU-15 countries, which includes Greece, Spain and Portugal. But it's not just a little more than average, it's twice the average. The average is 11pc but in Ireland, it's 23pc. The next closest to us is the UK at 13pc.

So whereas in other EU countries, 89pc of households work and fund the 11pc who don't work, in Ireland, 77pc of working households are funding the other 23pc who don't work.
Why do we have 23pc jobless families, when our convenience stores, our restaurants and our hospitals are staffed by non-nationals? Why are the unemployed Irish not bothering with these jobs? Is it because compared to other EU countries, the gap between social welfare and benefits and low paid jobs is very low. It just does not pay for someone with children to work in a low paid job in Ireland.
We need to dismantle our culture of dependency - Independent.ie

Do any of our politicians even think this is an issue?
What will the long term effects of this be?
 


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It's because certain sectors of the economy are practically closed to Irish nationals including hospitality, fruit packers etc. Despite claims its about filling skills shortages, the CSO says non nationals are disproportionately represented in minimum wage and below minimum wage employment. Mass immigration occurred much more rapidly here than the UK as a percentage of population. We are also not addressing rampant employer discrimination against the employable disabled population. 85% of people with Aspergers are unemployed.

Also the govt is not encouraging balanced regional development.

I would also add that only a minority of tax revenue comes from income tax. Much also comes from indirect taxes which the unemployed also pay. The decision to pay non resident EU nationals welfare is daft.
 
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It's because certain sectors of the economy are practically closed to Irish nationals including hospitality, fruit packers etc. Despite claims its about filling skills shortages, the CSO says non nationals are disproportionately represented in minimum wage and below minimum wage employment. Mass immigration occurred much more rapidly here than the UK as a percentage of population. We are also not addressing rampant employer discrimination against the employable disabled population. 85% of people with Aspergers are unemployed.

Also the govt is not encouraging balanced regional development.

I would also add that only a minority of tax revenue comes from income tax. Much also comes from indirect taxes which the unemployed also pay. The decision to pay non resident EU nationals welfare is daft.
we have 100000+ people in this country who could not find a job in 2006 , we have no closed culture , we have greedy employers exploiting low pay but we also have a large group of individuals and family's who are multi generational spongers . They need to be brought to heel and quickly.
 

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What dependency culture? The business interests which expected the State to bail them out?

Also, Brendan Burgess?
 

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I challenge anyone of the critics to live on €204 a week.
 
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What dependency culture? The business interests which expected the State to bail them out?

Also, Brendan Burgess?
It's a complete mess, to be honest - the term squeezed middle applies nowhere better than in Ireland.

Crony capitalism sucks all competition out of the market and adds a premium to all basic cost of living here (insurance, legal fees, etc.) while the state encourages 100s of 1000s of families to remain dependent on it's "generosity" to buy loyalty and votes to maintain the status quo.

Weak and career politicians have used this state of unstable equilibrium to run the state to there advantage for decades now.
 

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In effect FF/FG/Labour wrote off 20% of the population as unreformable and economically non-functioning. It's a story of neglect.
 

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we have 100000+ people in this country who could not find a job in 2006 , we have no closed culture , we have greedy employers exploiting low pay but we also have a large group of individuals and family's who are multi generational spongers . They need to be brought to heel and quickly.
In 2006, at the height of the boom, youth unemployment in Limerick was 50%: and there was not a word about that failure from anyone in Government, certainly not the city's TDs.
 

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In terms of a dependency culture we'd need to start at the top with reform. No pensions for public representatives with a handful of year's service.

Teachers for example who effectively retain their pension arrangements from their teaching role should not be allowed to collect a ministerial pension but should only get the pension arrangement from their teaching position.

No one should collect any pension unless they have paid into it for a minimum of twenty five years.

All perks at the top should cease. Free Dail parking for life and so on needs to be stopped.

The reason I advocate serious reform at the superlative end of the nation's finances is because only after such reform will politicians be able to tackle reform at the other end of the social scale.

No Irish politician is entitled ethically to take on sponging in the populace while they are collecting on multiple benefits themselves.

As Churchill once memorably noted in a parliamentary update to Buckingham Palace after a debate in the house on whether tramps should be placed in work camps; 'It should be remembered that degeneracy can occur at both ends of the social scale'.

Any sponger you meet in Ireland or elsewhere who is professional in their approach to social welfare systems presently has the ability to rebut criticism by pointing to the spongery occurring around the Oireachtas.

Removing the ability of such people to point to the sponging at the top is a pre-requisite to the speech that needs to be made to the sponger at the bottom.

All reform should start at the top in order to be serious.
 

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A fish rots from the head.

But to answer the question, I imagine little or nothing will be done about it seeing as 50+% of Irish citizens receive welfare payments from the state.
 

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In terms of a dependency culture we'd need to start at the top with reform. No pensions for public representatives with a handful of year's service.

Teachers for example who effectively retain their pension arrangements from their teaching role should not be allowed to collect a ministerial pension but should only get the pension arrangement from their teaching position.

No one should collect any pension unless they have paid into it for a minimum of twenty five years.

All perks at the top should cease. Free Dail parking for life and so on needs to be stopped.

The reason I advocate serious reform at the superlative end of the nation's finances is because only after such reform will politicians be able to tackle reform at the other end of the social scale.

No Irish politician is entitled ethically to take on sponging in the populace while they are collecting on multiple benefits themselves.

As Churchill once memorably noted in a parliamentary update to Buckingham Palace after a debate in the house on whether tramps should be placed in work camps; 'It should be remembered that degeneracy can occur at both ends of the social scale'.

Any sponger you meet in Ireland or elsewhere who is professional in their approach to social welfare systems presently has the ability to rebut criticism by pointing to the spongery occurring around the Oireachtas.

Removing the ability of such people to point to the sponging at the top is a pre-requisite to the speech that needs to be made to the sponger at the bottom.

All reform should start at the top in order to be serious.
This, in spades.
 

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did the social welfare road check points a few years ago not solve all this sure??
 

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I challenge anyone of the critics to live on $204 a week.


And ...
Rent Allowance.
Free travel.
Your & Kids education paid for.
Household Benefits (Electricity, Gas & TV Licence).
Fuel Allowance.
Child Benefit.
Back to School Allowance.
Christmas Dole Bonus.
etc. etc.
 

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No Irish politician is entitled ethically to take on sponging in the populace while they are collecting on multiple benefits themselves.
Their ethical impetus to deal with this comes from the majority of the people of this country. It should also be noted that politicians work longer hours, 7 day weeks etc. compared with most of us. No harm in "do as I say, not as I do' in this case.
 

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“...The Ireland that we dreamed of would be the home of a people who valued material wealth only as a basis for right living, of a people who, satisfied with frugal comfort, devoted their leisure to the things of the spirit - a land whose countryside would be bright with cosy homesteads, whose fields and villages would be joyous with the sounds of industry, with the romping of sturdy children, the contest of athletic youths and the laughter of happy maidens, whose fire sides would be forums for the wisdom of serene old age. The home, in short, of a people living the life that God desires that me should live...”
RTÉ Archives | Politics | Address by Mr de Valera
 


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