Ireland's diversity can be an engine for growth

Dr Pat

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Hang on and I will go out and ask each and everyone, Camper Van can hold my clipboard. Are you suggesting that they vast majority are ill educated? Try not to revert to sweeping generalisations when answering.....
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Many former Eastern bloc countries have substantial populations of Roma. The level of integration of Roma into society remains limited. In these countries, they usually remain on the margins of society, living in isolated ghetto-like settlements (see e.g. Chánov). Only a small fraction of Romani children graduate from secondary schools, although during the Communist regime, at least some of these countries forced all children to attend school, and provided them, like other citizens, with all required basics such as textbooks and the compulsory uniform.

But Ireland gets the educated ones, right? Yes, you are a proper genius alright.::roll:
 


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:rolleyes:

That means 25% of a not inconsiderable number are Irish.
Don't know what the sarcasm is for.
Why does any mention of "non-nationals" provoke a defensive response?
I thought the thread was about "an engine for growth"?
I was making the point that companies like Google represent an engine but a fragile and limited one. Most of there employees are recruited from abroad therefore Google's growth doesn't have a major impact on the jobless figure here. Ireland requires a reduction in the number of unemployed for the economy to grow. Is there anything more obvious?
 

fluffykontbiscuits

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Don't know what the sarcasm is for.
Why does any mention of "non-nationals" provoke a defensive response?
I thought the thread was about "an engine for growth"?
I was making the point that companies like Google represent an engine but a fragile and limited one. Most of there employees are recruited from abroad therefore Google's growth doesn't have a major impact on the jobless figure here. Ireland requires a reduction in the number of unemployed for the economy to grow. Is there anything more obvious?
Yes its simple really if we were more educated in regards to languages we would be working there. Is there anything more obvious?
 

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Every country in the world seeks talented individuals with necessary skills not available locally, that is a given. But if you think Roma beggars sitting on their holes outside the Post Office is an engine for growth you're an idiot.
Oh great, more Romaphobia.
 

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Yes its simple really if we were more educated in regards to languages we would be working there. Is there anything more obvious?
Yes, that's obvious.
They are not here for any particularly quality of the local workforce.
Then as a consequence, they're only here for the low corpo tax rate.
That's how fragile this particular engine for growth is.
Try reading the posts will you, the unwarranted sarcastic reponses are irritating and only indicate an inability to comprehend.
Speaking languages is one thing, but comprehension is just as important.
 
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This thread just shows you: In spite of the economic collapse, Ireland's small but loud diversity brigade is still here, still frothing at the mouth and making all kinds of hazy claims about the benefits of open door immigration. Clearly the multiculturalists haven't gone away.
 

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Monitoring Education for Roma | Education Support Program | Open Society Foundations

Check the pdfs at the end

0.2% of Roma in Albania complete 3rd level

0.2% of Roma in Bulgaria complete 3rd level

0.3% of Roma in Croatia complete 3rd level etc etc etc
5.9% in Lithuania just to add in. So it seems some do go on to education which proves some could very well work in google.....



Twin Towers
Every country in the world seeks talented individuals with necessary skills not available locally, that is a given. But if you think Roma beggars sitting on their holes outside the Post Office is an engine for growth you're an idiot.
 

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Ahhh I get it now, so that means Im milking the system by paying tax! I was getting confused mate ;)
Exactly. You pay a tiny, token amount in combined income and spending taxes ('cos we're a low tax economy, remember?) and in return you get all these gilt-edged, gold-plated public services like, er.....

Anyway you get these absolutely fabulous public services. Overseen by selfless geniuses of Ministers who could earn much more in the private sector.

See how simple it all is?

No?

Me neither.
 

fluffykontbiscuits

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Yeah, some do, 2 out of a thousand in croatia, 5 out of a hundred in lithuania, so Twin Towers is wrong because they do exist ?

He was talking about the legions of beggars & thieves around dublin.

Pretty pointless engaging with you - even faced with the overwhelming evidence that roma have abysmal levels of education, you choose to pick up on the fact that 2 roma per year finish their third level in croatia or whatever, so it isn't fair to view roma as being uneducated, that imo is a completely retarded point of view.

You are contrdicting yourself here. Some go on to third level , that is a fact that you have just pointed out so to saw the section highlighted is just wrong. The EU observer says that some of the reasons for lower levels of those finishing secondary education than others may be to do with segregation and discrimination

EUobserver / Roma education policies don't work at local level, experts say
 

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You are contrdicting yourself here. Some go on to third level , that is a fact that you have just pointed out so to saw the section highlighted is just wrong. The EU observer says that some of the reasons for lower levels of those finishing secondary education than others may be to do with segregation and discrimination
Yeah, some, a whole 2 out of a thousand in croatia.

So if we import 1000 into Ireland from croatia, maybe 2 can get jobs to make up for the other 998 beggars & thieves. Sounds great.

'Segregation & discrimination' - sounds like the same crap the travellers have been peddling here for donkeys, lets give them some eu cash pronto. People just don't like beggars & thieves, same story everywhere in europe. Couldn't be their primitive lifestyle thats at fault for the kids being uneducated - nah, its all down to prejudice or possibly racism.
 

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Yeah, some, a whole 2 out of a thousand in croatia.

So if we import 1000 into Ireland from croatia, maybe 2 can get jobs to make up for the other 998 beggars & thieves. Sounds great.

'Segregation & discrimination' - sounds like the same crap the travellers have been peddling here for donkeys, lets give them some eu cash pronto. People just don't like beggars & thieves, same story everywhere in europe. Couldn't be their primitive lifestyle thats at fault for the kids being uneducated - nah, its all down to prejudice or possibly racism.
Guess we will have to agree to have disagree :)
 

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What another load of middle class codswollop! Diversity indeed! As an unemployed middle aged Irish male - what good will all those new cultures and languages do for me? The immigrants are intelligent all right and have brought ' milking the system' to new levels.
Have you identified any particular immigrant who is responsible for your plight?

Any particular immigrant who is doing "your" job?

If every immigrant who is here now went home tomorrow, the country would close down.

Doctors, nurses, businesmen, specialists of all kinds.

D
 


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