No, but isn't this based very much on your reading of Freud. For example, someone might come at this from the opposite direction and say it was you who exhibited classic symptoms of obsessive neurosis, or even everyday 'normal' neuroses - after all denial is a knife that cuts both ways in any argument.Cael said:Yes, what we call "normal" is a neurotic structure i.e. repression and isolation are the main mechanisms we use to deal with difficult situations or traumatic events. The massive avertion this individual (ive forgotten his name) showed towards the passive position is typical of an obsessive organisation and the overuse of isolation. I didnt say he suffered from obsessive neurosis.
Actually Freud didn't deal with 'peoples' per se. He dealt with groups - a rather different thing.Freud wrote quite a lot about group psychology. He went much farther than I am here. He traces the paradigm of the Oedipus Complex right back to a mythical murder of the primal father of the horde by his sons and the eating of his flesh. This, according to Freud, led to the mothers and sisters of the horde becoming forbidden to the sons and thus the inception of the taboo on incest. As it happens I wasnt applying the theory of obsessive structure to all Irish people - just certain individuals who constantly display it.
But that doesn't answer the question of how does that 'trauma' hold up across 150 years? Do you consider that accents don't change under the influence of various factors. For example, probably like you I find it extremely annoying to hear some of the mangling of an Irish accent by DORT and other sub-accents, but then again I talk to people from around the country and regional accents remain strong. Again I wonder if you're not confusing class with national identity.I could give many answers to this. Maybe the best one is the one given by Joyce in the episode with the "tundish" in, I think, if my memory serves me right, Portrait of the Artist. He describes how the English language could never have the confidence in his mouth as in the mouth of the English visiting teacher. Its traumatic for any people to be condemned to this distance from the language they use as a mother tongue. As I said above, you only have to listen to the accents used in the commercial radio stations - particularly the news readers, its as if nobody could take the news seriously if it were read in an Irish accent.
Yes, I agree with you. Gaelscoileanna are a good thing, the use of Irish or even phrases is a good thing. However, it strikes me that at best we'll achieve a sort of bilingualism still pitched towards the anglophone.I think something is happening now which is quite healthy. More and more people are learning Irish, and other languages, and they begin to see language as relative. Another great thing is that people are using the bit of Irish they have learned and are not intimidated by the ideal of perfect fluency. As Pearse said, we want to speak Irish, not because there is anything wrong with English, but because it is our own Irish language.
Again I agree with you. And I very much agreed with you re local placenames on a different thread. I don't know about the US, seeing as the vast majority of their population isn't even descended from the English I'm still fairly sure that any manifestations we see there are drawn from concepts of 'class' or 'sophistication'.I think you are right in saying that people will buy into developements named in Irish. One of the most popular developments in Castleknock is called "Donn Rua". In regard to the USA, Im afraid they havent entirely gotten over their colonial relationship with the "mother country". Im afraid the Irish have a lot further to go in this than the Americans, but they have had a big head start its true.
No, for an obvious reason. Even the Armenian genocide is within barely living memory. People alive today knew people who were hurt by it. But the hurt of the contemporary Armenians who didn't experience it is obviously going to be much lesser than those who went through it. Another generation or two and it's lost to 'myth' in the Barthesian sense. The Jewish situation is even more alive because so many people alive today went through it.So are you saying that the modern Armenians dont feel any hurt or Jews born since the end of WW2?
Actually commemoration is quite analogous to the kind of remembering and working through that we find in the clinic.
I'd be interested in the nature of a commemoration that you can propose that would be similar to therapy sessions.