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Irish Abortion/Social Policy Compared to Afghanistan and Iran on Al Jazeera


Anima

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World-respected news outlet Al Jazeera has done a piece on Irish abortion laws, comparing us to Afghanistan and Iran. I have never been so profoundly embarrassed to be Irish.

Money woes limit Irish abortion options - Europe - Al Jazeera English

Many countries are condemned in the West for organised religion and its effect on peoples lives. Societies throw their arms up in horror if countries like Iran or Afghanistan deny women basic rights. They tend, however, not to mention Ireland.

In Ireland, a woman cannot have an abortion if she has been raped. She cannot have an abortion if the man who made her pregnant is beating her. She cannot have an abortion if the baby will die outside her body.
You really need to look at the video in the article for the full report. I post this as a separate thread purely to give us some worldwide perspective.
 

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There's nothing shameful or embarrassing about Irish abortion laws. It seems to me that Al Jazeera are just trying, and failing, to suggest that Ireland is in some way comparable to countries that do actually restrict the freedoms of women.
 

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The need for abortion in Afgan and Iran is much reduced due to their laws which have 'adultrous' women stoned to death or otherwise executed
And they claim the high moral ground ... yeah right ...
 

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There's nothing shameful or embarrassing about Irish abortion laws.
An outright ban even in the case of rape or in which the health of the mother is at risk is shameful or embarrassing.

It seems to me that Al Jazeera are just trying, and failing, to suggest that Ireland is in some way comparable to countries that do actually restrict the freedoms of women.
Extreme reproductive restrictions, even in the above mentioned cases, certainly does make Ireland comparable to countries that restrict the freedoms of women, and at a base level. My point in posting this article is how unusual attitudes as extreme as this is for a supposedly civilised, Western country. Western countries tend to support, in comparison to the likes of Iran and Afghanistan, certain basic freedoms. So in this respect the comparison to such countries is correct, and it sure makes us look like a country in the stone age.
 

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An outright ban even in the case of rape or in which the health of the mother is at risk is shameful or embarrassing.



Extreme reproductive restrictions, even in the above mentioned cases, certainly does make Ireland comparable to countries that restrict the freedoms of women, and at a base level. My point in posting this article is how unusual attitudes as extreme as this is for a supposedly civilised, Western country.
So Ireland can become more civilised by copying other supposedly civilised countries?
 

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I think it's disingenuous of Al Jazeera to compare Ireland to Iran or Afghanistan. There is no comparison to the situation for women in Ireland versus in Iran or Afghanistan, and it' an insult to claim there is.

At least women here can travel to another country if they wish to have an abortion and they have access to information, not just where they mentioned in the report, but also from the internet.

I think the video might be exaggerating and that there might be a small number of abortions performed here to save the mother's life, for example?

Also they talk about the extreme cases, but then they show a woman, who had an abortion at age 17 because she wasn't pyschologically ready.

It's really just a journalistic report saying that abortion should be permitted in Ireland and blaming the Catholic Church for why it's not and pointing out that it's unacceptable for women to discuss having had abortions because it's a societal taboo, although it is happening.

The woman who had the abortion at 17 claims every man in Ireland knows a woman who had an abortion, but no-one talks about it. That hardly points to a situation where women in extreme circumstances aren't able to have an abortion...
 

ScreeOrTalus

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Oh get over yourself and your faux embarrassment.
Good call. That someone could be "profoundly embarrassed to be Irish" because Al Jazeera compared us to Iran and Afghanistan is not credible to me.

Also, elective abortion is not a marker of a civilized country.
 

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"World-respected news outlet Al Jazeera".

Give me a fookin break!
 

MariaMcN

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An outright ban even in the case of rape or in which the health of the mother is at risk is shameful or embarrassing.



Extreme reproductive restrictions, even in the above mentioned cases, certainly does make Ireland comparable to countries that restrict the freedoms of women, and at a base level. My point in posting this article is how unusual attitudes as extreme as this is for a supposedly civilised, Western country. Western countries tend to support, in comparison to the likes of Iran and Afghanistan, certain basic freedoms. So in this respect the comparison to such countries is correct, and it sure makes us look like a country in the stone age.
Do you always watch news programs with a totally uncritical eye? The Al Jazeera reporter is quite obviously trying to put a whole spin on the fact that abortion is illegal in Ireland. It's also illegal in the UK but they just happen to have made so many exceptions that it is effectively completely legal. Al Jazeera is a Muslim news channel and doesn't like the way Western countries criticise Muslim countries for the treatment of women in some Muslim societies. They must think trying to portray countries like Ireland as European equivalents of Iran and Afghanistan will help their cause in some way. It won't. It's so transparently dishonest. Women in Ireland have full social, political, educational and economic rights. They have the same rights as their male compatriots. Abortion is illegal because intentional killing is something we take very seriously as do most societies. We don't have the death penalty because we don't agree with that form of intentional killing. There is nothing to prevent Irish doctors from treating pregnant women whose lives are at risk and they do so all the time. Beyond that, yes, abortion is illegal but that is because we as a society place a high value on life and do not want to sanction the deliberate and unnecessary destruction of it.
 

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Anima

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Thought I'd bump this. Seems even more relevant now. We truly are a catastrophic, international embarrassment to Western civilisation.
 
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