Irish army training excercise in donegal......didnt know they had it in them

Tir Eoghain Thoir

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:roll: Which in turn has nothing to do with the thread or the point I was making about the ARW. Are you determined to go "off Piste" on this for some reason?
Nothing is what yourself and Captain Asparagus, or whatever you call him, were proven to know about the gombín rangers so the nothingness concept is in keeping with your contribution.
 


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Nothing is what yourself and Captain Asparagus, or whatever you call him, were proven to know about the gombín rangers so the nothingness concept is in keeping with your contribution.

To qoute from Andrew Llyod Webbers first wife- when she was faced with a similar type person as you.

When your ma and pa got together and rutted- did they do so with the intention of breeding an idiot. or are you just a happy conincidence
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I quote it to lighten the mood and not in any way to insult you, however if you
feel insulted please let me know.
 
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Irish soldiers make good doormen. Not great doormen but good doormen.

Thats about it.
 

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Nothing is what yourself and Captain Asparagus, or whatever you call him, were proven to know about the gombín rangers so the nothingness concept is in keeping with your contribution.
And what is it that you feel I have said about the Rangers which proves to you that I know nothing about them?
 

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Irish soldiers make good doormen. Not great doormen but good doormen.

Thats about it.
If there is research and a credible report to back up your statement Eog

please supply a link. If however its just your personal opinion, would it be too

much of an effort from you to let us know that,

e.g In my opinion Gerry Adams is a member and leader of a gang of criminals.

thats an opinion, see mate- its not to hard when you give it a go.
 

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The problem in a nutshell is the Irish people don't want to spend the money necessary for a top-class Defence Force, but they reserve the right to deride and mock the one we have and compare it unfavourably with military forces in countries which spend multiples of what we do on defence.
I'd rephrase that to...

The Irish people spend just the right amount of money on their defence forces given the size of Irelands economy and the threat level we face. Juveniles, who like to masturbate over pictures of military hardware, are unhappy with this.
 
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mickdotcom

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Carlsberg don't do irony...............
No they dont mate- they brew lager.

I will always be the first to admit my grammar, spelling and punctuation is not

a competition winner.

However the words "I quote" and the fact the offending words were in a box

showing they were a quote, should be a clue.

My only failing (this time) is I failed to put (sic) beside the word, but to be honest I never noticed it-

Therefore Carlsberg dont do people sitting at home on their lap top with smug grins on their face because some pompous pedant tried to be clever and failed to know the significance of a quote...

if they did my pic would be on their label.
 

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if labour gain seats then gilmore could be the leader of the official oppositon for a parliamnet which would be more than labour have even got....
 

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If there is research and a credible report to back up your statement Eog

please supply a link. If however its just your personal opinion, would it be too

much of an effort from you to let us know that,

e.g In my opinion Gerry Adams is a member and leader of a gang of criminals.

thats an opinion, see mate- its not to hard when you give it a go.
They are also good at escorting cash in transit vans. Personally i can't wait until they go back to 'The Leb'.

Cheap fags and DVDs. It'll certainly put a dent in the RIRA funding machine IN MY OPINION :)
 
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Tir Eoghain Thoir

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No they dont mate- they brew lager.

I will always be the first to admit my grammar, spelling and punctuation is not

a competition winner.

However the words "I quote" and the fact the offending words were in a box

showing they were a quote, should be a clue.

My only failing (this time) is I failed to put (sic) beside the word, but to be honest I never noticed it-

Therefore Carlsberg dont do people sitting at home on their lap top with smug grins on their face because some pompous pedant tried to be clever and failed to know the significance of a quote...

if they did my pic would be on their label.
So by saying "I quote" are you trying to tell us that ALW's wife said "conincidence", does the poor woman have a speech impediment? I hope it's not that nice Sarah Brightman to whom you're attributing such comments. Not being versed on the marital history of ALW I can't be sure.
 

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Can anyone think of a scenario where the Defence Forces would be deployed to defend Ireland?

Does anyone think it likely that helicopters will ever be transporting artillery pieces (as in the example above) to fight off an invader?
Europe defends Ireland.

Lisbon treaty.

However this also means that Ireland defends any Eurpean country.

So if Britain is invaded Ireland along with everyone else has to use its forces to defend it.

The reason for an attack is irrelevant, every EU country is defended by every other one.
 

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Personally, I'm proud of the fact we have a crap army. It shows we're a humane country.
I think having an army involved in peace keeping missions, and an army relative to the size of the country is how it should be.

The Irish army is not crap, and money should not be wasted making it a dangerous force.
 

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The Army Ranger Wing (ARW) was formally established, in accordance with the Defence Act, by Government order in March 1980


....Thanks for the link which proves me correct.


As I stated....
The ARW never existed in the 1970s.
The Defence Forces was in a position to respond with a competent and highly trained Unit. The increased skills and endurance training of 'Ranger'-trained personnel provided the perfect basis for the new specialist unit. The Army Ranger Wing (ARW) was formally established, in accordance with the Defence Act, by Government order in March 1980 .
Read it again. Jesuit. :D
 

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Well, they never did deal with the SAS crossing the border. Infact, I would be quicker to speculate that they would have assisted them in coming over, kidnapping people and bringing them back over the border so they could arrest them - wouldn't be beyond possible.

The Gardaí had better success against the SAS than ARW.

This whole discussion brings me back to the RTE's documentary on what would happen if the Free State army defended the six counties - pure rubbish.
Worst documentary ever.

It shown a few soldiers crying in a field in south Armagh, yet although the documentary claimed they would cross the border in various different locations it ended with them all sitting together in a field near Newry waiting to be bombed.
It also said the international community would have got angry at the Republic, but looking back America blocked British ships from porting and various countries named streets after Bobby Sands.
Only RTE would believe that Britain was regarded as good guys during an era when Bloody Sunday happened and condemnation against them was rife.

The Irish army would have soon blended in all over the place, aided by locals and would have been extremely hard to find by the British army who already could not even use the roads in south Armagh.

I would suspect the reality of such a situation would have been so complicated, that RTE simply wouldn't have the time of will to do a proper insight into the possibilities and instead took a very lazy computer game style approach which shown one side losing 'x' amount of troops and then game over.
 

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So that's a no then.

We have Defence Forces, which we don't need to defend ourselves.

Air mobile artillery doesn't seem like the sort of thing international peacekeepers or border police would find useful.
actually UN forces used airmobile Artillery - and heavier, self-propelled Artillery - during the Balkan wars, and they did so again in Seirra Leone.

Artillery gets taken on most UNPK operations - as does heavy armour in the shape of Main Battle Tanks. Ireland is, from recall, the only the western state to participate in UN/EU/NATO PK ops that doesnt send artillery and armour with its infantry units.

either you believe that Irish officers and diplomats have genuinely come to a different view of the best practice in Peacekeeping from those of France, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, Germany, Spain, Potugal, Italy, Ukraine, Latvia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kenya, the UK, Canada, the US, Brazil, Nigeria, Egypt and Chile - or you accept that they've come to the same view, but that the Irish government is too cheap to send such equipment, and subsequently should an Irish unit get into trouble on such an operation, only the Air and Artillery support of someone else (with potentially different ROE, political direction, priorities and none of their own problems) will get them out.

i think Sir Humphrey would describe such a situation as 'couragous'.
 

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Read it again. Jesuit. :D
Christ lads, is there really any need? Surely you're arguing over a form of words at best. There were "Ranger Trained" soldiers in the DF prior to the formal establishment of the ARW, but no actual Ranger organisation or distinct Ranger unit prior to that time? We all remember the TV ads in the early 70's I'm sure? The boys in the new combats, in three ranks at the double and singing, "We are Rangers, Mighty Mighty Rangers etc etc?petunia
 

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I think having an army involved in peace keeping missions, and an army relative to the size of the country is how it should be.

The Irish army is not crap, and money should not be wasted making it a dangerous force.



WTF?

Soldiers are trained to be 'dangerous' from the moment they enter an army.

They are trained to kill from the word go and to kill the other guy as quickly and efficiently as possible - before he can kill them.

There is not much point in having an army in the first place if it can't be a 'dangerous force' when needed.

As Patton once said:

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
The levels which stupidity on this site can reach never cease to amaze me.
 


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