Irish attitudes to Immigration poll

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https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0329/950816-attitudes_to_immigration/

Interesting poll today on RTÉ. 75% are opposed to Roma migrants, 59% are opposed to muslim migrants. Of course we still get both despite public opposition. I suspect it's a case of the Irish being too polite to say anything. In Spain and Eastern Europe things are very different, roma going around restaurants asking for money are told where to go in no uncertain terms.

"New research has found that attitudes to immigration in Ireland deteriorated during the recession, and are now worse than the average in western Europe."

Is this fair reporting? having a contrary opinion to mass migration is 'worse' or that holding such opinions represents a 'deterioration'. Maybe we just don't want to live in dystopias like Malmo, Luton or Marseille, given all the crap going on there and there is nothing 'worse' about that. By the Middle of this century France will be a nuclear armed Islamic Republic at the center of Europe. This is a serious issue and being opposed to that can't be judged to be 'bad' by the media. What do they want, the end of civilization or something?

Another curiosity, who are these 25% of people who WANT Roma migration and even stranger who are the 41% of people who want muslim migration (I know single women of a certain age and body type like going on trips to north Africa to visit prostitutes) but surely they are not 41% of the pop. Perhaps the poll was bias in it's questioning.
 


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RTE has a leftwing culture inherited from the WP infiltration of the channel. Their dislike of SF is also in part a reflection of the presence of former Stickies in the station. (Im not a great fan of SF either but in RTE's case its partly for the aforementioned reason).
 

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It is within our remit to be picky about whether other EU citizens should get social welfare and supports, and it is also within out remit to pick people with needed skills from outside the EU for jobs. Fear of outsiders, specifically brown muslim people in recent times, is not a new phenomenon.
 

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Positive stats. We can't become what Sweden, Germany and the UK have. We must preserve our heritage and culture. There is hope for us yet BUT we must remember to transfer our feeling to the political class on this matter at every opportunity.
 

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Positive stats. We can't become what Sweden, Germany and the UK have. We must preserve our heritage and culture. There is hope for us yet BUT we must remember to transfer our feeling to the political class on this matter at every opportunity.
Heritage and culture must be living and evolving, not "preserved", only dead things need preservation.
 

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https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0329/950816-attitudes_to_immigration/

Interesting poll today on RTÉ. 75% are opposed to Roma migrants, 59% are opposed to muslim migrants. Of course we still get both despite public opposition. I suspect it's a case of the Irish being too polite to say anything. In Spain and Eastern Europe things are very different, roma going around restaurants asking for money are told where to go in no uncertain terms.

"New research has found that attitudes to immigration in Ireland deteriorated during the recession, and are now worse than the average in western Europe."

Is this fair reporting? having a contrary opinion to mass migration is 'worse' or that holding such opinions represents a 'deterioration'. Maybe we just don't want to live in dystopias like Malmo, Luton or Marseille, given all the crap going on there and there is nothing 'worse' about that. By the Middle of this century France will be a nuclear armed Islamic Republic at the center of Europe. This is a serious issue and being opposed to that can't be judged to be 'bad' by the media. What do they want, the end of civilization or something?

Another curiosity, who are these 25% of people who WANT Roma migration and even stranger who are the 41% of people who want muslim migration (I know single women of a certain age and body type like going on trips to north Africa to visit prostitutes) but surely they are not 41% of the pop. Perhaps the poll was bias in it's questioning.
Maybe we just don't want to live in dystopias like Malmo, Luton or Marseille,

You forgot to mention Blanchardstown!
 

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Heritage and culture must be living and evolving, not "preserved", only dead things need preservation.
Indeed, and nothing 'evolves' in Islam, only regression is possible, it's a dead end ideology, has been for about 500 years. Mustaffa Ataturk was about the best thing to happen to the muslim world in terms of modernization, alas that is being dismantled by regressive elements. Indigenous Irish culture has evolved very rapidly over the past hundred years, that progress won't be possible in the France of the next century for example.
 

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Maybe we just don't want to live in dystopias like Malmo, Luton or Marseille,

You forgot to mention Blanchardstown!
Blanchardstown hasn't a patch on those other places, but it is a key indicator of how things can go. Look at Balbriggan for a better example of how things could end up, gorgeous sea side town, half an hour commute to Dublin City Centre, yet some of the cheapest property in the country.
 

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It's interesting that the report notes a big difference between "more educated" people and "less educated" people: that is because for these "more educated" people, the notion of multiculturalism is basically an abstraction. It's not Foxrock that has been subject to the sort of massive demographic change I've seen in the less leafy locales of north county Dublin.
 
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Blanchardstown hasn't a patch on those other places, but it is a key indicator of how things can go. Look at Balbriggan for a better example of how things could end up, gorgeous sea side town, half an hour commute to Dublin City Centre, yet some of the cheapest property in the country.
Tyrellstown is believed to have the most multi cultural population in Western Europe!
 

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Blanchardstown hasn't a patch on those other places, but it is a key indicator of how things can go. Look at Balbriggan for a better example of how things could end up, gorgeous sea side town, half an hour commute to Dublin City Centre, yet some of the cheapest property in the country.
Yeah, and areas that taxis have stopped serving because gangs of black youths were robbing so many of them. The local police report that crack now has a growing foothold in the area as well. Those at the sharp end of multiculturalism understandably have a more negative view than those in the safe white suburbs.
 

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RTE has a leftwing culture inherited from the WP infiltration of the channel. Their dislike of SF is also in part a reflection of the presence of former Stickies in the station. (Im not a great fan of SF either but in RTE's case its partly for the aforementioned reason).
RTE has a leftwing culture
Must be a different RTE to the one I listen/watch.

from the WP infiltration of the channel
This has always been utterly overstated.
 

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It's interesting that the report notes a big difference between "more educated" people: that is because for these people, the notion of multiculturalism is basically an abstraction. It's not Foxrock that has been subject to the sort of massive demographic change I've seen in the less leafy locales of north county Dublin.
I think that's part of it, there aren't many Roma or muslims living in Dalky so it's ok for those people to look at the boats full of youngfellas crossing the border and say ah god love them, sure isn't there loads of room in Balbriggan and Longford for them.
 

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Positive stats. We can't become what Sweden, Germany and the UK have. We must preserve our heritage and culture. There is hope for us yet BUT we must remember to transfer our feeling to the political class on this matter at every opportunity.
Positive stats.
What exactly is positive about negative attitudes against people of different, colour/culture/race or religion...hardly something to be celebrated.

We can't become what Sweden, Germany and the UK have.
Enlighten us with your wisdom?

We must preserve our heritage and culture.
Who elected you and what is 'our' culture?

There is hope for us yet BUT we must remember to transfer our feeling to the political class on this matter at every opportunity.
There you go agian.
 

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Tyrellstown is believed to have the most multi cultural population in Western Europe!
Have you a point to make or just passing on information?
 

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It is within our remit to be picky about whether other EU citizens should get social welfare and supports, and it is also within out remit to pick people with needed skills from outside the EU for jobs. Fear of outsiders, specifically brown muslim people in recent times, is not a new phenomenon.
Dislike of Salafists isn't racism, it is self defence.

Dislike of brown people is racism.
 

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https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0329/950816-attitudes_to_immigration/

Interesting poll today on RTÉ. 75% are opposed to Roma migrants, 59% are opposed to muslim migrants. Of course we still get both despite public opposition. I suspect it's a case of the Irish being too polite to say anything. In Spain and Eastern Europe things are very different, roma going around restaurants asking for money are told where to go in no uncertain terms.

"New research has found that attitudes to immigration in Ireland deteriorated during the recession, and are now worse than the average in western Europe."

Is this fair reporting? having a contrary opinion to mass migration is 'worse' or that holding such opinions represents a 'deterioration'. Maybe we just don't want to live in dystopias like Malmo, Luton or Marseille, given all the crap going on there and there is nothing 'worse' about that. By the Middle of this century France will be a nuclear armed Islamic Republic at the center of Europe. This is a serious issue and being opposed to that can't be judged to be 'bad' by the media. What do they want, the end of civilization or something?

Another curiosity, who are these 25% of people who WANT Roma migration and even stranger who are the 41% of people who want muslim migration (I know single women of a certain age and body type like going on trips to north Africa to visit prostitutes) but surely they are not 41% of the pop. Perhaps the poll was bias in it's questioning.
The attitudes were measured between 2002 and 2014 which is odd in itself... that it's taken 4 years to collate... perhaps things weren't as positive economically 4 years ago...

Not sure if the suggestion is that the recession was the reason... I suspect ISIS and various terrorist atrocities during that time, many of which have been in Europe probably have something to do with it...

Personally... I've no problem with immigration as long as it's sustainable and as long as immigrants integrate...
 

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Positive stats. We can't become what Sweden, Germany and the UK have. We must preserve our heritage and culture. There is hope for us yet BUT we must remember to transfer our feeling to the political class on this matter at every opportunity.
Who cares about heritage and culture
Just live on this planet as a normal human being struggling to feed the family instead of immersing yourself in some mythical mind controlling cultural belief
The republic and Northern Ireland are considered to be the most racist of all European countries
Not a good promotion for our self obsessed illusion as being a friendly nation.
 

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Dislike of Salafists isn't racism, it is self defence.

Dislike of brown people is racism.
I guess I'm trying to say, take the emotion out of our immigration policy, look at the facts (including likelihood of integration or acceptance of our society), and make decisions accordingly.
 


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