Irish Catholic priest urges Christians to abandon the word Christmas

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https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/18/irish-catholic-priest-urges-christians-to-abandon-the-word-christmas

An Irish Catholic priest has called for Christians to stop using the word Christmas because it has been hijacked by “Santa and reindeer”.

Father Desmond O’Donnell said Christians of any denomination need to accept Christmas now has no sacred meaning.
What does anyone else think?

I must admit that - apart from being a wee bit unrealistic - the suggestion seems a little churlish and Scrooge-like to me: I don't recall a representative of any other faith-based group ever giving out about sharing Horusmas/Winter Solstice with Christianity, and they were both there first.

I can't see Fr O'Donnell's suggestion getting much traction among the faithful - Christmas is supposed to be the season for sharing, after all - but perhaps some p.iesters agree with him?
 


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https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/18/irish-catholic-priest-urges-christians-to-abandon-the-word-christmas



What does anyone else think?

I must admit that - apart from being a wee bit unrealistic - the suggestion seems a little churlish and Scrooge-like to me: I don't recall a representative of any other faith-based group ever giving out about sharing Horusmas/Winter Solstice with Christianity, and they were both there first.

I can't see Fr O'Donnell's suggestion getting much traction among the faithful - Christmas is supposed to be the season for sharing, after all - but perhaps some p.iesters agree with him?
Christmas as a calendric event is not mentioned in the Gospels

The main liturgical event in the Christian calendar is Easter which celebrates the Death and Resurrection of Jesus on the Cross
 

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He is right about the commercialization. He is tactically wrong about the use of names. Those names are pieces of prime real estate. If he thinks correctly that Christmas has lost its religious meaning, then the way to go about fixing it is to live Christmas in a different way and see how others respond. This year for example, I will be using my Christmas holiday to build bridges between different cultures in Utrecht. Not only will there be lots of incense but everyone will be turning the other cheek.
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/18/irish-catholic-priest-urges-christians-to-abandon-the-word-christmas



What does anyone else think?

I must admit that - apart from being a wee bit unrealistic - the suggestion seems a little churlish and Scrooge-like to me: I don't recall a representative of any other faith-based group ever giving out about sharing Horusmas/Winter Solstice with Christianity, and they were both there first.

I can't see Fr O'Donnell's suggestion getting much traction among the faithful - Christmas is supposed to be the season for sharing, after all - but perhaps some p.iesters agree with him?
Try tellin' Wizzard that!:rolleyes:

[video=youtube;r89CjMZDQpQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r89CjMZDQpQ[/video]
 

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The priest is as deliberately ignorant as most of his kind. It was never a xtian festival in the first place. If there was any hijacking done it was by his cult.

The level of commercialisation involved is, as ever, up to the individuals and families who celebrate it. Which is as it should be.
 

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sort out easter eggs first
 

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Yes.That whole thing about mr jesus hatching easter eggs tends to freak people out.
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/18/irish-catholic-priest-urges-christians-to-abandon-the-word-christmas



What does anyone else think?

I must admit that - apart from being a wee bit unrealistic - the suggestion seems a little churlish and Scrooge-like to me: I don't recall a representative of any other faith-based group ever giving out about sharing Horusmas/Winter Solstice with Christianity, and they were both there first.

I can't see Fr O'Donnell's suggestion getting much traction among the faithful - Christmas is supposed to be the season for sharing, after all - but perhaps some p.iesters agree with him?
I heard a CofI clergyman make a good point a few years ago. Christmas was originally a pagan feast which christians adapted to celebrate the birth of Jesus. It has now reverted to being a pagan festival but there is nothing to prevent christians from still using it.
 

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I think it has to do with prosperity. Through out most of history people were poor and holidays were rare. Therefore having a holiday where you could do something mad like eat an egg or something other than spuds was a huge deal. In that context there was no danger of consumption taking away from the religious meaning of a festival because no one could afford a consumerist lifestyle. But now we are so rich compared to the past that consumption dominates most things and not just religious events either. It has ruined a lot of what is special in life i.e. things that are communal.
 

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Luke 1: 26-38
In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
And he came to her and said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!"
But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be.
And the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favour with God.
And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus.
He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there will be no end."
And Mary said to the angel, "How shall this be, since I have no husband?"
And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.
And behold, your kinswoman Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son; and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren.
For with God nothing will be impossible."
And Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.
 

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I wonder does the priest know that no-one actually knows the age of the messiah he follows either when he died (estimated to be between 30 and 33) and any estimates of his dropping out of a star or whatever is much more likely to have been a couple of weeks later than the mid-winter festival?
 

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He wants to replace the word christmas with a word more redolent of the spiritual and actual nature of xtianity. richmas?
 

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Luke 1: 26-38
In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
And he came to her and said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!"
But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be.
And the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favour with God.
And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus.
He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there will be no end."
And Mary said to the angel, "How shall this be, since I have no husband?"
And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.
And behold, your kinswoman Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son; and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren.
For with God nothing will be impossible."
And Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.
Sounds legit,:lol:
 

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Luke 1: 26-38
In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
And he came to her and said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!"
But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be.
And the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favour with God.
And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus.
He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there will be no end."
And Mary said to the angel, "How shall this be, since I have no husband?"
And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.
And behold, your kinswoman Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son; and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren.
For with God nothing will be impossible."
And Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.
2376 Techniques that entail the dissociation of husband and wife, by the intrusion of a person other than the couple (donation of sperm or ovum, surrogate uterus), are gravely immoral. These techniques (heterologous artificial insemination and fertilization) infringe the child's right to be born of a father and mother known to him and bound to each other by marriage. They betray the spouses' "right to become a father and a mother only through each other."
CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2376
 

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I must admit that - apart from being a wee bit unrealistic - the suggestion seems a little churlish and Scrooge-like to me: I don't recall a representative of any other faith-based group ever giving out about sharing Horusmas/Winter Solstice with Christianity, and they were both there first.

I can't see Fr O'Donnell's suggestion getting much traction among the faithful - Christmas is supposed to be the season for sharing, after all - but perhaps some p.iesters agree with him?

No traction but it was a solstice festival, and nothing to do with jesus. He;s saying it should be renamed, and other "christian" eejits are fussed at the crib using a greggs sausage roll for baby jesus.

So what? It's all makey-uppy and all up for grabs. Don't think there's any rules in the bible about crib layouts? It's like the bad argument that burqas are muslim wear.


UK bakery Greggs apologises after using sausage roll instead of Jesus in advent calendar | Irish Examiner

 

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Definitely.

The celebration should be moved to another day.

The fact that so many people who hate Our Lord Jesus Christ and His teachings get all sentimental and mushy over Christmas says everything that needs to be said.
 

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Bonfire of bishops might be nice. I can think of one or two dry old sticks who are lucky not to be in jail we could well do without.
 


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