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Irish citizen captured fighting with ISIS




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A friend of mine travels occasionally on the government Lear and whilst they've never shared any details the most exciting thing she gets up to on them is briefing whatever hobnob scored the ride. What do you expect? That the Lear was in Strasbourg when they said it was going to Brussels? What events? You seem to want to find something more interesting than what we're presented with. A Drogheda girl who let her worst inclinations overwhelm her better self.

The reasons in truth are numerous for the girls and boys. There are examples of white supremacists who joined up. Turns out it wasn't the race part that boiled their soup but the supremacy part. Then you have the incels who are trying to prove some warrior fantasy. And you have the truly pious.


There's nowt as queer as folk. Lots of Europeans and non-Muslim migrants are radicalised in prison. Another thing European nations are doing too little to counter-act.
That's an interesting detail regarding the white supremacists who joined ISIS . Have you any links for one to read further?
 

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When I said "joined up" I mean former white supremacists who become Muslim supremacists. I am sure there's a similar psychology at play here. Given its propensity, I've no doubt there are/were some in ISIS. There was also a case of a Danish neo-nazi biker who took a strange journey. From biker to bearded jihadi back to reason again whereupon he became a spy for Danish intelligence.
That's an interesting detail regarding the white supremacists who joined ISIS . Have you any links for one to read further?

[URL "https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/03/16/white-supremacists-radical-islamists-sound-exactly-alike/?utm_term=.115b0a74c035"]White supremacists and radical Islamists sound exactly alike - Washington Post[/URL]





 

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I agree somewhat with Trump on this one. The Kurds for one should not be stuck with these terrorists - they’ve done enough for us already. Western countries should face up to the legal and security challenge and take them back. To those who say we couldn’t, that’s a reasonable fear to have but I think we’d have a little more resolve restricting freedoms after an ISIS alum went on a rampage here. I feel the same way about particularly violent criminals who have served their sentences. They should be kept in Ireland for the rest of their lives because they are our problem.

In related news, Bangladesh has taken a fairly clear position on Shamima Begum:

 

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I agree somewhat with Trump on this one. The Kurds for one should not be stuck with these terrorists - they’ve done enough for us already. Western countries should face up to the legal and security challenge and take them back. To those who say we couldn’t, that’s a reasonable fear to have but I think we’d have a little more resolve restricting freedoms after an ISIS alum went on a rampage here. I feel the same way about particularly violent criminals who have served their sentences. They should be kept in Ireland for the rest of their lives because they are our problem.

In related news, Bangladesh has taken a fairly clear position on Shamima Begum:

In principle you're right. However, the lack of any effort to amend the law to tackle this issue means that none of these hyenas will face anything approaching justice.
 

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In principle you're right. However, the lack of any effort to amend the law to tackle this issue means that none of these hyenas will face anything approaching justice.
I feel sorry for any foreign government or militia lumbered with them.
 

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When I said "joined up" I mean former white supremacists who become Muslim supremacists. I am sure there's a similar psychology at play here. Given its propensity, I've no doubt there are/were some in ISIS. There was also a case of a Danish neo-nazi biker who took a strange journey. From biker to bearded jihadi back to reason again whereupon he became a spy for Danish intelligence.


[URL "https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/03/16/white-supremacists-radical-islamists-sound-exactly-alike/?utm_term=.115b0a74c035"]White supremacists and radical Islamists sound exactly alike - Washington Post[/URL]





White sharia - the antidote to the leftist agenda to destroy traditional social norms.

I suppose it is not so far fetched
 

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When I said "joined up" I mean former white supremacists who become Muslim supremacists. I am sure there's a similar psychology at play here. Given its propensity, I've no doubt there are/were some in ISIS. There was also a case of a Danish neo-nazi biker who took a strange journey. From biker to bearded jihadi back to reason again whereupon he became a spy for Danish intelligence.


[URL "https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/03/16/white-supremacists-radical-islamists-sound-exactly-alike/?utm_term=.115b0a74c035"]White supremacists and radical Islamists sound exactly alike - Washington Post[/URL]





Thanks for that. There's some good enlightening stuff in those articles even if they mostly address the issue from a disenfranchised male perspective. This and other cases involve women who join a cult that from our perspective goes against the grain of what we assume to be progressive in terms of female betterment in our culture. To the side of one of those articles was an article which I think might better explain to some degree why a woman might join ISIS?

 

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When I said "joined up" I mean former white supremacists who become Muslim supremacists. I am sure there's a similar psychology at play here. Given its propensity, I've no doubt there are/were some in ISIS. There was also a case of a Danish neo-nazi biker who took a strange journey. From biker to bearded jihadi back to reason again whereupon he became a spy for Danish intelligence.


[URL "https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/03/16/white-supremacists-radical-islamists-sound-exactly-alike/?utm_term=.115b0a74c035"]White supremacists and radical Islamists sound exactly alike - Washington Post[/URL]





There is a striking similarity between Islam and the Nazi party of WW2 Germany.1 .Both require total submission to the leader and the organisation .2.The organisation tells you how to live your life ie from how to wipe your ass to how to impregnate women and increase the organisations numbers.3 Dying for the organisation brings glory and honour for your family. 4 A shared hatred of Jews and to a lesser degree Christianity. 5. A desire to conquer and give the defeated people the option to join the organisation or face death. 6 A propaganda machine that declares that you only want peace . The list of comparisons is endless. When you look at it closely the current left in Europe's hatred of Christianity is very similar to the Nazis hatred of the Jews without the pogroms and their admiration for Islam is reminiscent of the same feeling the leader of the German National Socialist party had for it.
 

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When I said "joined up" I mean former white supremacists who become Muslim supremacists. I am sure there's a similar psychology at play here. Given its propensity, I've no doubt there are/were some in ISIS. There was also a case of a Danish neo-nazi biker who took a strange journey. From biker to bearded jihadi back to reason again whereupon he became a spy for Danish intelligence.


[URL "https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/03/16/white-supremacists-radical-islamists-sound-exactly-alike/?utm_term=.115b0a74c035"]White supremacists and radical Islamists sound exactly alike - Washington Post[/URL]





People are attracted to extremist politics because they usually offer a clear goal and a clear roadmap on how to achieve that goal. The modern world is messy confluence of ideas and peoples. Far right, populistic nationalism and Islam all seek to turn back the clock to a mythical good old days time before the problems of the modern world existed...except mostly the existed then too. I can see how people switch from one to another instead of moderating as they grow older.
 

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People are attracted to extremist politics because they usually offer a clear goal and a clear roadmap on how to achieve that goal. The modern world is messy confluence of ideas and peoples. Far right, populistic nationalism and Islam all seek to turn back the clock to a mythical good old days time before the problems of the modern world existed...except mostly the existed then too. I can see how people switch from one to another instead of moderating as they grow older.
That's all true but the realisation of that isn't going to stop people from adopting extreme politics. It's said that all countries have their myths in addition to the ones we tell ourselves. In a way we need them, I think we'd get it hard to function 'normally' without them.

Maybe that's the one great fault about the European project, it doesn't have any mythological basis and therein lies its own destruction. American had the American dream, that's now an American nightmare. However, it was strong enough for long enough to get itself off the ground. What's the use of building walls when something is rotting from within? Perhaps this lady is just a symptom of that?
 

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I think there is also a not uncommon pattern of a "wild child", a term that has actually been used to describe Lisa Smith in reports, at some point in their late 20s or early 30s finding their lives a bit empty/hollow and then going looking around for meaning (seemingly she was into things like crystals and Reiki for a while before Islam). Nothing wrong with that (harmless enough anyway). However, there's chance that something like Islam (or becoming a born again Christian or something similar) might then seem even more appealing (flipping from one extreme to the other, and in this case not just Islam but a gradual journey to full-blown Islamic extremism and ISIS).
 

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I think there is also a not uncommon pattern of a "wild child", a term that has actually been used to describe Lisa Smith in reports, at some point in their late 20s or early 30s finding their lives a bit empty/hollow and then going looking around for meaning (seemingly she was into things like crystals and Reiki for a while before Islam). Nothing wrong with that (harmless enough anyway). However, there's chance that something like Islam (or becoming a born again Christian or something similar) might then seem even more appealing (flipping from one extreme to the other, and in this case not just Islam but a gradual journey to full-blown Islamic extremism and ISIS).
That might in part explain her journey to Islam but to follow on to full-blown extremism requires more.

Just as we all to some degree live by myths, isn't there a 'wild child' in all of us wanting to get out? What has happened that the 'wild child' seems to be breaking free so much lately?
 

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That might in part explain her journey to Islam but to follow on to full-blown extremism requires more.

Just as we all to some degree live by myths, isn't there a 'wild child' in all of us wanting to get out? What has happened that the 'wild child' seems to be breaking free so much lately?
The wild child nonsense is just nonsense. Most people grow out of the drink and drugs and partying and they grow up, they don't trade hedonism for fundamentalist religion. It's a case of women who want to be subservient to men, like some kind of S&M thing, mixed with a desire to get praise and acclaim for breeding new soldiers for Jihad. That's before you factor in the kind of narcissistic trait that is common in all Muslims that they are better than everyone else and that ultimately the world will be theirs.
 

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It's interesting to see that RTE are turning away from Clonskeagh mosque for their Muslim slots. I heard the Imam talking about how even doctors and taxi drivers fast for 17.5 hours every day during Ramadan, well if I've got someone operating on me or driving me somewhere I don't want them to be food deprived. It is not a healthy practice and it was fine while they were in the desert herding goats but this is the 21st century where life is faster.
 

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That might in part explain her journey to Islam but to follow on to full-blown extremism requires more.

Just as we all to some degree live by myths, isn't there a 'wild child' in all of us wanting to get out? What has happened that the 'wild child' seems to be breaking free so much lately?
There's a reason religions like Islam stick around. They're crafted in a way so as to be attractive to certain types of people. There's nothing here beyond that really. People convert to religions all the time. It is usually a search for meaning but Islam uniquely offers a kind of chauvinistic supremacism and immodest piety that presses the buttons of some. Also, given it is perceived (correctly in my view) to be in opposition to Western culture it also carries that cachet of antiestablishmentarianism which appeals to the disenfranchised and intellectually immature.
 

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There's a reason religions like Islam stick around. They're crafted in a way so as to be attractive to certain types of people. There's nothing here beyond that really. People convert to religions all the time. It is usually a search for meaning but Islam uniquely offers a kind of chauvinistic supremacism and immodest piety that presses the buttons of some. Also, given it is perceived (correctly in my view) to be in opposition to Western culture it also carries that cachet of antiestablishmentarianism which appeals to the disenfranchised and intellectually immature.
Antifa and the air heads who make it up come to mind.
 

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The wild child nonsense is just nonsense. Most people grow out of the drink and drugs and partying and they grow up, they don't trade hedonism for fundamentalist religion. It's a case of women who want to be subservient to men, like some kind of S&M thing, mixed with a desire to get praise and acclaim for breeding new soldiers for Jihad. That's before you factor in the kind of narcissistic trait that is common in all Muslims that they are better than everyone else and that ultimately the world will be theirs.
Oh come off it, the wild child is strong in you. You call yourself after a female Norwegian warrior, an amazon. There may be something there about her possible desire for subservience to men though I doubt it since she chose a career in the defence forces. Is it any wonder you hate her when so want to slay them. You're dying for a showdown, aren't you?
 
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