Irish citizen captured fighting with ISIS

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She is an Irish citizen who should be returned to Ireland, Interrogated, set free , not allowed go near Clonskegh or similar and report once a week to a garda station. We should hope that she be treated as we would wish foreign national who misbehave in Ireland be treated. Send them home .
One common theme with many of the Islamic terrorist attacks in Europe is that most of them had criminal records, many were on terrorist watch lists yet they managed to maim and kill people.
 


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Lisa Smith denies giving military training girls and women for ISIS - BBC interview
Former Deputy Director of Military Intelligence with the Defence Forces, Michael Murphy says the Government should have legislated for criminal sanction for those who traveled to Iraq and Syria to join so-called Islamic State
Lisa Smith denies giving military training girls and women for ISIS - BBC interview


Anna Foster, Presenter BBC 5 live, John O'Brien, policing and security specialist, and Niall Collins, Fianna Fáil, talk to Mary about Lisa Smith, a Dundalk woman who is being held in a Syrian IS camp for women and children.
via RTÉ - Drivetime https://ift.tt/2YEA2W0

she makes the point that brutality of ISIS was well known before Lisa Smith traveled to Syria
 

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Sort of strange post, a bit like "I wouldn't start from here" or "if the queen had balls she'd be king"
Fair point, but what I'm saying is the situation is unstable. Lisa Smyth was part of an army of occupation in that part of Syria (ISIS).
She is now being held by a different army of occupation (the US backed Kurds).
At some point in time, the Syrian regular army (backed by Russian air support) is going to want this territory back. When/if they gain control, they will have no problem putting her on trial, for what she and her buddies did to their country.
All Trump has to do is withdraw his own troops (mainly just special forces) and the Kurds will be out of there and across the border into Iraq.
They could be out of there within an hour or two, once they lose their US protection.
 

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#if she was involved then she needs to be sent to prison for her part in the butchery. Our government have absolutely no business trying to rescue her and helping her to evade justice
 

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She is an Irish citizen who should be returned to Ireland, Interrogated, set free , not allowed go near Clonskegh or similar and report once a week to a garda station. We should hope that she be treated as we would wish foreign national who misbehave in Ireland be treated. Send them home .
That's not going to happen. She's going to come home, have a little chat (voluntary, because she has broken no Irish law) with the authorities and that's it. Why? Because Ireland is not a serious country.
 

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That's not going to happen. She's going to come home, have a little chat (voluntary, because she has broken no Irish law) with the authorities and that's it. Why? Because Ireland is not a serious country.
Ireland has been home to many very serious terrorists, including some who almost succeeded in blowing up the entire British govt at a Brighton hotel. Those men lived their years out in ireland and were never sent anywhere..

Dry your knickers.
 

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Ireland has been home to many very serious terrorists, including some who almost succeeded in blowing up the entire British govt at a Brighton hotel. Those men lived their years out in ireland and were never sent anywhere..

Dry your knickers.
No comparison, why did the IRA carry out those attacks? Because the Brits were oppressing their people, forcing them to live in squalid conditions, depriving them of the right to work and vote.

In 1998 the IRA lay down their arms and entered into a peace process that has lasted over twenty years, do you honestly think Islamists would ever negotiate with their enemies like that?

What are Islamists in Ireland motivated by? What have we done to them?
 

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Ireland has been home to many very serious terrorists, including some who almost succeeded in blowing up the entire British govt at a Brighton hotel. Those men lived their years out in ireland and were never sent anywhere..

Dry your knickers.
What an unoriginal and dumb comparison.
 

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One of her early interviews she said she went there because there were no gays IIRC.
Yeah I remember that.

I think she convinced herself that if only she could live under a "proper" Islamic state than everything would be rainbows and fluffy bunnies. Her being perturbed by the fact that the Syrian family she stayed with fought with each other I thought was extremely revealing.
 

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According to documents held by Sound and Picture, Ms Smith and Jones lived close to each other in 2016, after Jones’s hacker husband Junaid Hussain was killed by a US drone strike in August 2015.
According to the not-for-profit Counter Extremism Project, Jones was given permission by Isis to start the battalion and plan to carry out attacks in the West.
Interesting quote from the article.
A special battalion comprised of western women who would be able to infiltrate almost any western target withot arousing suspicion.
 

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Liberal cucks be warned, if you let your daughter convert to Islam this could happen to you.
Actually two of the leading female Salafi-Jihadists in the world are from an Ulster Scots background which is interesting because during the Troubles- unless you are going to count "mad bitch" who was Johnny Adair's partner- women played absolutely no role in Loyalist paramilitarism while they did play often central roles in it on the Republican side.
 

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Actually two of the leading female Salafi-Jihadists in the world are from an Ulster Scots background which is interesting because during the Troubles- unless you are going to count "mad bitch" who was Johnny Adair's partner- women played absolutely no role in Loyalist paramilitarism while they did play often central roles in it on the Republican side.
As I said to another poster, there is no comparison between the troubles and Islamic terrorism.
 

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As I said to another poster, there is no comparison between the troubles and Islamic terrorism.
That is being very simplistic. Islamic terrorism is not all the same thing.
 

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One of her early interviews she said she went there because there were no gays IIRC.
The last woman on this island of any note who was so anti-gay was Iris and she was totally bonkers. Maybe it's the same with Lisa or maybe she has a rational reason like a past boyfriend who was gay or a gay daddy, or whatever?
 

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BS. She is an Irish citizen. If she has committed a crime abroad, then let the prosecuting authorities of that country try her and jail her.

If they can't or won't do that, then we have to take her back. Or we can strip her of her citizenship and make her stateless. Be careful what you wish for.

I am not having this shit that Irish citizenship can be revoked depending on what your political or religious beliefs are. Its pure nonsense.
Great to see an idealist marching down the middle of the road flying the Irish flag and singing: "Faith of our Fahters" as gaielige...
But the world ain't like that any more (SADLY)
The whole notion of citizenship as been diluted and degraded to exclude any notion of patriotism. Even back in SeeJay's day alias Charles Haughey he was giving away Irish passports to wealthy Arabs --- ummm ... for a fee.
The Irish diaspora has been wise to avail of citizenhip as the opportunity arose in their new country and Alan Shatter distributed Irish citizenship and passports like confetti at a wedding or snuff at a wake.
Other countries take a different approach: European countries such as Germany discourage multilple citizenship, the Americans want any citizen whether in the US or living abroad to pay American tax... or forfeit their American citizenship. No joke.
The long and the short of it is that whereas you might have these deep notions of the sacredness and irrevocability of Irish citizenship or patriotism, other people don't share the same fervour.
See for example Lisa Smith :(
 

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The last woman on this island of any note who was so anti-gay was Iris and she was totally bonkers. Maybe it's the same with Lisa or maybe she has a rational reason like a past boyfriend who was gay or a gay daddy, or whatever?
Iris wasn't bonkers. She was an example of a not exactly complicated and rather silly type of female Evangelical Protestant. I found her unlike her husband to come across as basically a sweet human being.
 


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