Irish citizen captured fighting with ISIS

Buchaill Dana

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Legislation does. Child abuse on Thailand is jail in Ireland.

The issue is the allegation. Has she actually broken any laws in Syria?

Discomfort? Its downright illegal.
 


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Legislation does. Child abuse on Thailand is jail in Ireland.

The issue is the allegation. Has she actually broken any laws in Syria?

Discomfort? Its downright illegal.
Good thing Syria isn't a democracy. Very liberal as far as Moslem dictatorships go, but still. Maybe they would have made an exception of us.
 

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Ideally the state shouldn't have spent a cent getting her and her alien child 'home'.

But, I am sympathetic to the Syrian people. So yes, if they wanted her and all the other foreign scum out that was their sovereign right to expel them.

Leo should have asked Assad to do us a favour and finish them both.
Its important to remember here that the Syrians were never allowed to get their hands on her.
She fled to an area occupied by the American-backed Kurdish forces, where she lived in a prison camp for a while.
But when the yanks left the Kurds hanging out to dry, the Turks busted her out of the Ain Issa camp by shelling the gates. She walked or was spirited across the border to their area, and they interrogated her for a few days, and then called the Irish to come and take her away. So she was basically deported to Ireland from Turkey.
 

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My reading of this is that, despite all the talk to the contrary, the authorities now recognise that nobody in this country has ever been prosecuted for any crimes committed while outside the jurisdiction, and its unlikely ever to happen.
So this is a bit like nailing Bugsy Malone for tax evasion - an admission of defeat really, by the prosecution.
thats seems likely

the waterford guy got 4.5 years 2 suspended Man jailed for providing funding for Islamic State

doubt Lisa Smith will ever go to jail again, just have a restriction probation.
 
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Good thing Syria isn't a democracy. Very liberal as far as Moslem dictatorships go, but still. Maybe they would have made an exception of us.
It was and is a Baathist state. As anti Muslim as you.

Basic, basic stuff.
 

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It was and is a Baathist state. As anti Muslim as you.

Basic, basic stuff.
Arab baathists are not anti-muslim. They may be secularists, but that is not being anti-muslim as such.
By comparison, the US constitution is also secularist, but that does not mean the USA is anti-Christian.
 

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Arab baathists are not anti-muslim. They may be secularists, but that is not being anti-muslim as such.
By comparison, the US constitution is also secularist, but that does not mean the USA is anti-Christian.
Ok, it was badly put. But PM has them as Islamacist.
 

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Not really. The issue is whether the Irish legislation allows for the prosecution of people for crimes committed while abroad. We discussed this in some detail earlier in the thread, last year.
I was of the opinion that a) no, it does not.
and b) its not something we should aspire to anyway.
That is regardless of what proof may or may not be available.

This cop-out then, would involve prosecuting her for raising funds in Ireland for the purposes of financing terrorism. The legislation for this is tried and tested; a guy in Waterford was prosecuted not too long ago. But that is a far cry from prosecuting people for any acts done while they were abroad.
The €800 is a paltry sum. It might only represent her own personal traveling expenses spent on getting over to the Islamic State.

The obvious and most logical thing is to extradite her to Syria, where the alleged crimes were committed. But the Syrians would probably hang her, and that might cause discomfort for some Irish politicians.
When she resurfaced in our news headlines again, the wife called her an idiot, I referred to her an an a$$hole.

And now she is hiding behind her passport after we had to get her.

We are probably screwed in terms of her getting justice, as we (rightly) can't throw her to a country where she would face the death penalty.

If there was confidence that she would merely rot in jail after a fair trial, then we should send her back.

No westerner has any excuse for joining ISIS ever.
 

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I’m assuming plenty of people have pointed out how crazy it is she’s been given bail right?
On the contrary. Also I think her bail conditions are too onerous.
 

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You seem to be prejudging her guilt or innocence though. She's charged with membership of a terrorist organisation and is a clear flight risk. I don't think bail should be granted in those circumstances.
 

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You seem to be prejudging her guilt or innocence though. She's charged with membership of a terrorist organisation and is a clear flight risk. I don't think bail should be granted in those circumstances.
Flight risk to where?
 

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Turkey. Syria. Somewhere she's not facing terrorism charges.
 

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Turkey. Syria. Somewhere she's not facing terrorism charges.
She won't. Too much of a chicken to run. No way the state is going to run to collect her again.

She has got away with it for now. She is very lucky not to be dead.
 

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She won't. Too much of a chicken to run. No way the state is going to run to collect her again.

She has got away with it for now. She is very lucky not to be dead.
Hardly a chicken, seeing as she originally joined the Irish army, and later she volunteered to go out and join the Islamists in a war zone.

But yeah, she is lucky to have escaped with her life. And it seems she has got away with whatever mistakes she made.
She has a child to look after now. Ireland is probably the best place for her, as a single parent, and an Irishwoman, to rear the child.
She seems to be keeping her head down, which is sensible.
 


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