Irish citizen captured fighting with ISIS

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Hardly a chicken, seeing as she originally joined the Irish army, and later she volunteered to go out and join the Islamists in a war zone.

But yeah, she is lucky to have escaped with her life. And it seems she has got away with whatever mistakes she made.
She has a child to look after now. Ireland is probably the best place for her, as a single parent, and an Irishwoman, to rear the child.
She seems to be keeping her head down, which is sensible.
Yeah. Lets give her a free gaff and forget this ever happened.
 


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She has brought shame upon the Irish people. How many Syrian lives did this woman destroy?
You mean someone who would hold her and her alone responsible for her actions rather than demanding every Muslim man, woman and child be punished along with her?
 

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That is a ridiculous decision and shows why the Special Criminal Court has to be done away with. The Special Criminal Court was only meant to be used where a Jury couldn't sit because of a real risk that the jury could be intimidated by an active terrorist group in the state. The people before it are normal held under armed gardai.

In this case she has been granted bail and is free to walk around. So where is the threat that necessitates a non jury trial.
 

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That is a ridiculous decision and shows why the Special Criminal Court has to be done away with. The Special Criminal Court was only meant to be used where a Jury couldn't sit because of a real risk that the jury could be intimidated by an active terrorist group in the state. The people before it are normal held under armed gardai.

In this case she has been granted bail and is free to walk around. So where is the threat that necessitates a non jury trial.
You've three separate threads here you think you've woven into the rope of an argument but all you've got are three separate threads.
 

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That is a ridiculous decision and shows why the Special Criminal Court has to be done away with. The Special Criminal Court was only meant to be used where a Jury couldn't sit because of a real risk that the jury could be intimidated by an active terrorist group in the state. The people before it are normal held under armed gardai.

In this case she has been granted bail and is free to walk around. So where is the threat that necessitates a non jury trial.
Possibly because the word "terrorist" is in the charge?
I don't think it will make any difference anyway, because it will be a very technical/ argument (as to whether joining IS in Syria can be an offence here)
Jurors would be wasting their time and bored out of their tree, and then in the end, the judge would probably direct the jury anyway.

Using the SCC for this does create a dangerous precedent for the future though.
 

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Thanks for that valuable insight.
Perhaps you need it spelled out a bit more?

That is a ridiculous decision and shows why the Special Criminal Court has to be done away with. The Special Criminal Court was only meant to be used where a Jury couldn't sit because of a real risk that the jury could be intimidated by an active terrorist group in the state.
You think there aren't people who've been in ISIS in this state? There are. Could they conceivably target members of the jury out of a sense of "Umma" towards this toe-rag? Conceivably yes.

The only thing "ridiculous" here is that whilst ISIS raged for years in Syria and we knew people from Ireland were fighting there we spent our time legislating on things like stopping people using their Tesco points to buy a bottle of red for the Sunday dinner when other countries were putting in place a legal framework to protect their citizens from these hyenas returning or at least prosecuting them fully if they did. That's what's ridiculous here.
The people before it are normal held under armed gardai.
Irrelevant. She may not be dangerous but her Irish resident Jihadi friends are.
In this case she has been granted bail and is free to walk around. So where is the threat that necessitates a non jury trial.
Irrelevant.
 

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Perhaps you need it spelled out a bit more?


You think there aren't people who've been in ISIS in this state? There are. Could they conceivably target members of the jury out of a sense of "Umma" towards this toe-rag? Conceivably yes.

The only thing "ridiculous" here is that whilst ISIS raged for years in Syria and we knew people from Ireland were fighting there we spent our time legislating on things like stopping people using their Tesco points to buy a bottle of red for the Sunday dinner when other countries were putting in place a legal framework to protect their citizens from these hyenas returning or at least prosecuting them fully if they did. That's what's ridiculous here.

Irrelevant. She may not be dangerous but her Irish resident Jihadi friends are.

Irrelevant.
I don't think any part of such a group in Ireland would have the capability to target the Jury or would want to.
 

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I don't think any part of such a group in Ireland would have the capability to target the Jury or would want to.
So you've looked into your soul and "think" that the most heinous and vicious terrorist organization in living memory would be unable to do in Ireland what they have so easily and repeatedly done elsewhere in Europe. Bully for you. Yet regardless of what you think or how successfully you can read their minds there remains the plausibility they could. Perhaps unlike yourself, the people making the decision here aren't given to being so cavalier with the lives of potential jurors. And so the SCC it is.
 

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So you've looked into your soul and "think" that the most heinous and vicious terrorist organization in living memory would be unable to do in Ireland what they have so easily and repeatedly done elsewhere in Europe.
Would they do it for a deserter like her, who denies even being part of them and give up their resources and safe haven to make a point. No I don't think it will even register on whatever remaining parts are left.

" In 2018, European courts issued 399 convictions of jihadi terrorism, according to the latest Europol report. "




Bully for you. Yet regardless of what you think or how successfully you can read their minds there remains the plausibility they could. Perhaps unlike yourself, the people making the decision here aren't given to being so cavalier with the lives of potential jurors. And so the SCC it is.
You and I have not seen the reasoning behind this, as to why they think, the ordinary courts are inadequate to secure the administration of justice. We will find out when the certification is challenged.
 

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So you've looked into your soul and "think" that the most heinous and vicious terrorist organization in living memory would be unable to do in Ireland what they have so easily and repeatedly done elsewhere in Europe. Bully for you. Yet regardless of what you think or how successfully you can read their minds there remains the plausibility they could. Perhaps unlike yourself, the people making the decision here aren't given to being so cavalier with the lives of potential jurors. And so the SCC it is.
Intimidated juries? Where?
 

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Intimidated juries? Where?
You know what guys? You're right. They'll saw the living heads off of screaming hog-tied women, feed sex slave mothers the flesh of their murdered children, burn and drown people on camera for entertainment but even ISIS couldn't bring themselves to intimidating a jury. I don't know what's more appalling here. The level of mental impairment or dishonesty that could prompt someone to write such a thing, or what someone with some legal training "liking" the comment says about how law is taught in Ireland.
 

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You know what guys? You're right. They'll saw the living heads off of screaming hog-tied women, feed sex slave mothers the flesh of their murdered children, burn and drown people on camera for entertainment but even ISIS couldn't bring themselves to intimidating a jury. I don't know what's more appalling here. The level of mental impairment or dishonesty that could prompt someone to write such a thing, or what someone with some legal training "liking" the comment says about how law is taught in Ireland.
There is a big difference between what a group is capable of doing and what they in the current situation are likely to do. As I posted, 100's of Islamic terrorists are on trial all over the eu without any issues, so why would such an organisation on its knees, bother about a trial of a female deserter in Ireland.
 


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