Irish connection to the London Attacks

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For some time, Ireland has been a centre of logistical support for terrorism committed in other countries

This time, the involvement is more direct, as one of the London terrorists, was refused permission to be in the UK, but he married a UK national here -- and that got him to the UK

Again the links to the South East seem significant : with a criminal gang offering some degree of support (witting or otherwise) to the terrorists

More arrests expected in investigation into Redouane's time in Ireland
The 30-year-old got married in Ireland, lived in Rathmines and secured an EU identity card here which enabled him to reside in the UK even though he had been refused asylum there. ... Further arrests are expected as part of the investigation into the background of one of the London attackers who lived in Ireland.

Two men have already been arrested and questioned on suspicion of theft and fraud offences.
In general the Muslim populace here doesn't seem more violent than the average indigenous populace , however , the Clonskeagh Mosque certainly seems to have an undue proportion of rather extreme preachers , and it is not clear why the staffing contingent is as high as it is

Given general levels of support in Ireland for the "Arab Rebels", which extends to Iveagh House http://www.politics.ie/forum/foreign-affairs/251434-iveagh-house-fury-being-considered-anti-isis.html I think it is unlikely that Ireland will be a target , but, are we harming Europe ?

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Maybe someone could explain to me how a guy is refused asylum in the UK and ends up in Ireland .
 

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The issue is not how he got residence and travelled to the UK. He was entitled to under EU law as the spouse of an EU national in a country other than her own and used the Surinder Singh route back to the UK.

The issue is how he got into Ireland first day as he only married once here so he would not have had EU law on his side when making his initial entry. Having been refused asylum in the UK, he'd have been a good candidate for visa refusal or refusal at the port of entry.
 

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Maybe someone could explain to me how a guy is refused asylum in the UK and ends up in Ireland .
Ask Alan Shatter or Frannie Fitz.
I wonder did they have a party in the convention centre to welcome this terrorist into our country?

















NB. I now expect the usual anti-SF/IRA wafflers to crawl out of their scratchers with several whataboutery posts.
 
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Maybe someone could explain to me how a guy is refused asylum in the UK and ends up in Ireland .
Exactly. Except in exceptional cases you'd imagine it would be a basic courtesy to our neighbour to automatically refuse those that have been refused (for good reason) in the UK.

Plus, in more self-interested terms, the UK has way more security resources than we have. Why do we imagine ourselves better able to cope with potential security risks than they are?
 

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Montrose will tell us the reason is that Gardai tax free lump sums aren't big enough.
 

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in Dundrum you often see groups of people that are likely praying at Clonskeagh. What is most noteworthy is the relative lack of diversity in these groups ( ie the relative lack of pale irish christian/athiest types ). It does beg the question : Are these people integrating within the general population or are they a separate and aloof grouping that will never integrate ?

will they do as in the UK and import wives from places like Pakistan. Wives with no English and no affinity to European culture or values. And thus the ghetto mentality persists down the generations. Do they forbid their daughters any interactions with locals, preferring arranged marriages within their own community ? What are the statistics for long term dole dependence here ? what politician has ever had the guts to ask these questions ?

those who committed the 7/7 bombings were born in the UK. But to what country did they ascribe their loyalties ?
 
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Exactly. Except in exceptional cases you'd imagine it would be a basic courtesy to our neighbour to automatically refuse those that have been refused (for good reason) in the UK.

Plus, in more self-interested terms, the UK has way more security resources than we have. Why do we imagine ourselves better able to cope with potential security risks than they are?
We should base our own decisions on those of the UK as a "courtesy"? Or just some? Where is the line drawn?

Also, how would we be expected to know of such decisions?
 

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Exactly. Except in exceptional cases you'd imagine it would be a basic courtesy to our neighbour to automatically refuse those that have been refused (for good reason) in the UK.

Plus, in more self-interested terms, the UK has way more security resources than we have. Why do we imagine ourselves better able to cope with potential security risks than they are?
Okaaaay then. I'm presuming you all know that the UK informed Ireland that the visa application was refused? This is established fact? Link? Evidence? Or are we all going to argue from the position of our predetermined conclusions?
 

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We should base our own decisions on those of the UK as a "courtesy"? Or just some? Where is the line drawn?
Hence the (for good reason) bit.. but yes you're right, that's where the debate should be.

Perhaps we could start with any persons that have been refused asylum in the UK because of a perceived security risk?
 

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Okaaaay then. I'm presuming you all know that the UK informed Ireland that the visa application was refused? This is established fact? Link? Evidence? Or are we all going to argue from the position of our predetermined conclusions?
The U.K. shares immigration history with Irish authorities.

Any good journalists reading: please put in an FOI for the Jihadis original visa application.
 

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NB. I now expect the usual SF/IRA wafflers to crawl out of their scratchers with several whataboutery posts.
9.30 Am is too early.
 

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Montrose will tell us the reason is that Gardai tax free lump sums aren't big enough.
If FFG's police force were instructed to gather intelligence and to vet the ragheads coming into our country instead of beating water protesters and fighting a non-existent war with the provos, we may have some idea about what is being imported into this place.

Listening to a guy on Newstalk there with the plank Kenny and while he was attempting to explain how difficult it is to police these ragheads, Kenny was off again on several rants about the PIRA!
That's the mindset that the people of Ireland have to endure.

Scream and roar about what was happening 40 years ago while ignoring the current threat form the ragheads FFG have welcomed into our country.
 

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Okaaaay then. I'm presuming you all know that the UK informed Ireland that the visa application was refused? This is established fact? Link? Evidence? Or are we all going to argue from the position of our predetermined conclusions?
Point taken.

It was too much trouble to include "Not saying it applies in this case, but as a general rule" in the original post. Now I've typed it anyway and me day is ruined. :D
 

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in Dundrum you often see groups of people that are likely praying at Clonskeagh. What is most noteworthy is the relative lack of diversity in these groups ( ie the relative lack of pale irish christian/athiest types ). It does beg the question : Are these people integrating within the general population or are they a separate and aloof grouping that will never integrate ?
]in Dundrum you often see groups of people that are likely praying at Clonskeagh. What is most noteworthy is the relative lack of diversity in these groups ( ie the relative lack of pale irish christian/athiest types ).
Why would you expect that to be different?

Are these people integrating within the general population or are they a separate and aloof grouping that will never integrate ?
'These people' is a rather general term but as you ask a general question, it merits a general answer, yes they are integrating in schools, universities, workplaces etc.
 

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Surely the point should be that if you apply for asylum in a country and are refused , you should be returned to your own country , not just allowed to wander off to try your luck elsewhere .
 

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We should base our own decisions on those of the UK as a "courtesy"? Or just some? Where is the line drawn?

Also, how would we be expected to know of such decisions?
Isn't there already considerable co-operation between the ROI and UK on terrorism and all things related?

Hence the assurances given, for example, that the RAF was covering against any sort of 9/11 attack?

But It does seem that there was some EU based loophole that enabled this dirtbird to get a foothold in the archipelago - and it would be sad if the threat ended up damaging the free movement within the Islands.
 


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