Irish connection to the London Attacks



Sister Mercedes

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The rock thrown through the window of the Galway mosque gives the Irish left a convenient "look-over-there" opportunity to avoid having to comment on the Irish connection to the London attacks.
 

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Surely the problem is the original issue.

He was refused asylum in the UK and was still able to leave there and travel to Ireland .

Surely the onus should be on the country where he is seeking asylum to either grant asylum, or if refused , return him to his own country.
 

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I suspect - with no proof admittedly - that information is easily lost between the various agencies monitoring Extremists.
Exactly - no proof. And neither have I as it happens, but that is exactly the point I'm making. Apparently, British Police (I don't admittedly know exactly what role MI5/MI6 have in this) are at breaking point in terms of numbers and funding. It may well be that by the time that info was processed/shared/forgotten about, this lad may have already been processed in Ireland. It may also be the case that the information was shared and not acted upon by the appropriate body/bodies in Ireland. We simply do not know.

But yet, people are busy here making arguments that X should have done y, and "Why didn't a do b"? To reiterate, we simply do not know what, if anything, went wrong.
 

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As far as I'm concerned it is a loophole. Do people have a "right" to marry dangerous cúnts and enable them to enter countries they hate and want to attack? if they do then no wonder we want out of the EU....
What exactly would the Pakistani or Libyan community in the UK have to do with the EU?
 

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The rock thrown through the window of the Galway mosque gives the Irish left a convenient "look-over-there" opportunity to avoid having to comment on the Irish connection to the London attacks.
Does it?

Example or just more unfounded nonsense spewing forth goodbody?

No need to answer, you shoe horn your pet peeves into every heard no matter how seemingly unconnected they are.
 

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The intelligence guy on Kenny's radio show earlier reckons it takes 60 members of the security forces to monitor each suspect.
Ireland is a haven for these ragheads.
Ragheads: a little late for name-calling. Sinn Fein helped them every step of the way, even going so far as to instigate riots in O'Connell Street. PIRA trained Colombian narco terroristsd to murder Catholics. How much does Clonskeagh pay for Sinn Feiners to promote them? It is time to take on the Sinn Feiners and other collaborators.
 

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Expect Theresa to withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights to get away from jurisdiction of the ECHR.
 

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Does it?

Example or just more unfounded nonsense spewing forth goodbody?

No need to answer, you shoe horn your pet peeves into every heard no matter how seemingly unconnected they are.
My peeves are all connected. You're just frustrated that I keep being proved right.
 

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Surely the problem is the original issue.

He was refused asylum in the UK and was still able to leave there and travel to Ireland .

Surely the onus should be on the country where he is seeking asylum to either grant asylum, or if refused , return him to his own country.
No, it's not the fault of the British who failed to deport him after he failed the asylum process.

Get with the program, surely you have an axe to grind? No, then just use the thread to have a pop at whichever pet peeve bothers you.

C'mon, it our fault that the British didn't send this guy home, it's our fault for the common travel area ec etc.
 

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Also I will add, that when the Garda's attention is drawn to a radical, they usually deal with it well , except that they are critically under resourced in financial crime and cyber analysts

Also their overt community policing is pretty good (if perhaps under funded)

The real barn door though is not enough independent clandestine action , developing their own leads and so on (both in the real world, and via cyber). That unfortunately is something that is hobby level activity for some SDU and IDF

The next big problem is no quality intelligence analysis and co-ordination function. This investigation will have needed to rapidly liaise with DSP, DFA, Revenue etc .

Also to be clear, in no way do I think it acceptable that extra funding , powers etc can be given to the Garda whilst Nóirín O'Sullivan and her cadre remain in place

cyp
 

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Another point raised by the contributor on the radio this morning that tarry's with what a senior police officer from England was saying is our predominantly white police force.

New cells are discovered/disrupted in a lot of cases due to under cover officers infiltrating them.

We have a dearth of suitable officers.

Unless you think Mick, the pint swilling GAA loving Garda can just pretend to be Ahmed.
 

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Another point raised by the contributor on the radio this morning that tarry's with what a senior police officer from England was saying is our predominantly white police force.

New cells are discovered/disrupted in a lot of cases due to under cover officers infiltrating them.

We have a dearth of suitable officers.

Unless you think Mick, the pint swilling GAA loving Garda can just pretend to be Ahmed.
The other problem is, we have such a small community of Muslims here vis a vis the Uk so any Muslim Garda infiltrator will probably be known by some of the subjects being monitored.
 

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Another point raised by the contributor on the radio this morning that tarry's with what a senior police officer from England was saying is our predominantly white police force.

New cells are discovered/disrupted in a lot of cases due to under cover officers infiltrating them.

We have a dearth of suitable officers.

Unless you think Mick, the pint swilling GAA loving Garda can just pretend to be Ahmed.
Khalid Kelly ? You don't have to be middle eastern, to be a Wahhabi, you don't even have to be born a muslim.
 

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Also, it is of course worth mentioning, the close fraternization between certain trendy media types, and a certain writer for Metro Eireann (not the freesheet) -- in the end, he had to be sent to the Middle East for deradicalisation & monitoring ....but neither worked so well

Of course, members of our own Moditariat - gave direct support to a forum member here , who got bored with Al-Qaeda, swapped to IS, and thankfully got snuffed

cyp
 

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Also, it is of course worth mentioning, the close fraternization between certain trendy media types, and a certain writer for Metro Eireann (not the freesheet) -- in the end, he had to be sent to the Middle East for deradicalisation & monitoring ....but neither worked so well

Of course, members of our own Moditariat - gave direct support to a forum member here , who got bored with Al-Qaeda, swapped to IS, and thankfully got snuffed

cyp
Was Kelly the poster Digital Sharia?
 

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The U.K. shares immigration history with Irish authorities.

Any good journalists reading: please put in an FOI for the Jihadis original visa application.
Calm down. He arrived in Ireland five years ago. Ireland and the UK agreed to share immigration information in October 2014.
 


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