Irish criminal suspects who are in the US with visas.

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In recent years, there have been alleged criminals from Ireland who are legally resident in the US, e.g. George Gibney, the suspects for the murder of Detective Garda Adrian Donohoe.

Obviously, they wouldn't have got visas if the US immigration authorities had been aware of their alleged offences.

So why doesn't the Department of Homeland Security just revoke their visas? Then it would be possible to deport the alleged criminals.
 


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In recent years, there have been alleged criminals from Ireland who are legally resident in the US, e.g. George Gibney, the suspects for the murder of Detective Garda Adrian Donohoe.

Obviously, they wouldn't have got visas if the US immigration authorities had been aware of their alleged offences.

So why doesn't the Department of Homeland Security just revoke their visas? Then it would be possible to deport the alleged criminals.
Because the DHS is nothing more than one gigantic welfare program designed to employ the unemployable, much like the majority of police and firefighting forces over here.
 

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In recent years, there have been alleged criminals from Ireland who are legally resident in the US, e.g. George Gibney, the suspects for the murder of Detective Garda Adrian Donohoe.

Obviously, they wouldn't have got visas if the US immigration authorities had been aware of their alleged offences.

So why doesn't the Department of Homeland Security just revoke their visas? Then it would be possible to deport the alleged criminals.
Please see my recent post - http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/223807-why-justice-system-so-lenient-149.html#post11588855

There are still ships sailing between Ireland and the USA - How to travel to Ireland by boat

All this obsession with paperwork and legal procedures is very recent, and it has become ridiculous.
 

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If Ireland wants to extradite them, we have mechanisms to do that. Revoking visas due to unproven allegations at the suggestion of a foreign power is a bad road, to go down.
 

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If Ireland wants to extradite them, we have mechanisms to do that. Revoking visas due to unproven allegations at the suggestion of a foreign power is a bad road, to go down.
In times past those procedures were often bypassed, and when they did happen they were most often only formalities.

And today, with air travel now so cheap and easy that they're available to everyone, it's wrong that that someone accused of a serious offence can so easily create impediments to his apprehension..
 

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They’re not accused in the OP. If someone’s being prosecuted for a criminal offence then of course they shouldn’t be allowed flee, and the US won’t let them have a visa if charges have been filed, and they shouldn’t be able to travel anyway as the judge should have their passport.
 

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Because the DHS is nothing more than one gigantic welfare program designed to employ the unemployable, much like the majority of police and firefighting forces over here.
Absolute nonsense!
 

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Well we know George Gibney has the official imprimatur of the Irish establishment to avoid his prosecution for a series of sex abuse charges.

Judge Susan Denham threw out all charges without allowing a jury to hear the case. She was of course completely unaware that the barrister defending this pervert was her brother Patrick Gageby.
 

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Absolute nonsense!
The US is a failed state, run by oligarchs and who's citizenry are kept in check by strongmen (police etc)


You can put all the lipstick you want on it but at the end of the day, a pig is a pig.

Remember, the US isn't under threat from radical Islam, it's under threat from within.
 

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They’re not accused in the OP. If someone’s being prosecuted for a criminal offence then of course they shouldn’t be allowed flee, and the US won’t let them have a visa if charges have been filed, and they shouldn’t be able to travel anyway as the judge should have their passport.
Don't US-entry visa applicants have to disclose criminal charges that were brought against them even if they were not convicted?
 

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This is an interesting one ...

Irishman held for deportation after woman alleges to FBI he was IRA gunrunner

His arrest after twenty years in America comes despite the fact that he has no criminal record. IrishCentral knows his name but has decided not to disclose it for now.


The FBI, following the tip-off, came to the rented accommodation but found no reason to arrest him. The IRA ceasefire of 1998 has long since stopped any gun shipments.


However, they did inform ICE, and the immigration authorities arrested him. He is now in Plymouth Correctional Center awaiting either a hearing or deportation. The Irish International Immigrant Center is handling his case.
 

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I don't think the suspects I referred to entered the US by boat.
But that would be one straightforward way of fetching them back; getting the fugitive well drunk and then carry him onto the ship; the same way that, in Ireland at one time, 'somebody would get a fugitive well drunk and carry him onto the Holyhead ferry.

And there are other ways of doing it. For example, it's not likely that someone like Gibney would be obtaining safe haven in the US if the accusations against him were being pursued by an English police force.

And look how quickly this man was arrested in NI last night - only hours after he'd walked free from a court in Dublin - Stephen Henry safely back behind bars after he was let loose by Irish court
 

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Those places are pretty grim. :p

After a time the detainee often opts for voluntary repatriation to wherever they're from.
I'm presuming that while the FBI didn't fancy their chances of a conviction the Immigration Authorities operate to a lower requirement of proof. Always assuming that there was no political interference in the decision not to prosecute.
 

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I'm presuming that while the FBI didn't fancy their chances of a conviction the Immigration Authorities operate to a lower requirement of proof. Always assuming that there was no political interference in the decision not to prosecute.
More a question of jurisdiction. ICE don’t roam the streets in a place like Boston. Rather they work from official communication from other ,generally federal due to sanctuary city behaviors of most habitable cities in US, agencies .....
So if FBI or even IRS take an interest in you and discover undocumented status they will pass on information regardless of their own investigations outcome .
 

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If Ireland wants to extradite them, we have mechanisms to do that. Revoking visas due to unproven allegations at the suggestion of a foreign power is a bad road, to go down.
Shades of Erdogan about it alright.
 

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Suspects flew back to Northern Ireland to intimidate locals.

https://extra.ie/2018/05/08/news/irish-news/adrian-donohoe-suspects-pressure-locals

Two brothers from Crossmaglen, in Co Armagh, are suspected of being part of the five-man gang who shot Garda Donohoe during a botched credit union robbery in Bellurgan, Co Louth, in 2013.

Extra.ie understands that the brothers, currently living in Boston, where they have US Green Cards, returned to the North in recent months to warn locals not to inform on them.
Why didn't the US government revoke their green cards when the suspects were in Northern Ireland? After all, it wouldn't be possible for the suspects to appeal against the revoking when they were outside the US.
 

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dont do twittering nonsense
The US is a failed state, run by oligarchs and who's citizenry are kept in check by strongmen (police etc)


You can put all the lipstick you want on it but at the end of the day, a pig is a pig.

Remember, the US isn't under threat from radical Islam, it's under threat from within.
Lot of stuff posted here is waffle, but this hits the nail on the head.
 


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