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Irish DF training somali army


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Evidence again of the respect internationally for Irish Military personnel. Well done, the Army.
 

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hang on - since when has the European Union the authority to get Ireland involved in overseas wars?


We're supposedly "neutral" arent we?
 

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Does this not make us a target for terrorism?

Does this not make us a target for terrorism?
 

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Old news.
EU Mission to Somalia - IMO Discussion Board

Defence Forces Personnel depart for European Union Training Mission in UgandaShare
Today at 9:37am
Statement 22 April 2010, 5.30pm

Five members of the Defence Forces departed Ireland yesterday afternoon to
participate in the European Union’s Training Mission of Somali military
personnel in Uganda.

The purpose of the Mission, known as “EUTM Somalia” (European Union Training
Mission Somalia) is to train Somali military personnel, thereby contributing
to the strengthening of the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) and the
institutions of Somalia.
 

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hang on - since when has the European Union the authority to get Ireland involved in overseas wars?


We're supposedly "neutral" arent we?
It's an EU mission in support of the United Nations, specifically UN resolution 1872.

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Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations...

8. Urges Member States, regional and international organizations to contribute generously to the United Nations Trust Fund for the Somali security institutions, and to offer technical assistance for the training and equipping of the Somali security forces, consistent with paragraphs 11 (b) and 12 of resolution 1772 (2007);
Defence Forces announcement of the mission on April 22, 2010.

Defence Forces Personnel depart for European Union Training Mission in Uganda
 

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Yes it most certainly does. Specifically Islamist terrorism.
Maybe letting girls wear skimpy outfits in Coppers will make us a target? Maybe we should stop selling pork sausage in Spar? Maybe all women should wear the headscarf? We must not make ourselves a target so let's give into the Muslims?
 

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who cares? dont we have ANY politician with the balls to say feck off with your foreign wars?
Eh! It takes a lot more balls to actually contribute to foreign wars.
But it must always be in Irish strategic interest when we do. Not just something which gives a nice fuzzy feeling. Whats needed in Somalia is stability, what you see here is Irish personnel indirectly working to bring it about. Nobody sensible should have a problem with that.

The question arising, is how does the deployment benefit Ireland. That's something that the DOFA & DOD could best answer.

But morally and legally I see no problem with Irish personnel there doing what they do quite well.
 

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who cares? dont we have ANY politician with the balls to say feck off with your foreign wars?
The UN asked for Irish expertise on the EU mission.

Should we just ignore UN requests now - especially since our foreign policy is based on UN primacy and the need for a UN mandate before we can deploy more than 12 troops outside the State has been enshrined in Irish law?
 

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Maybe letting girls wear skimpy outfits in Coppers will make us a target? Maybe we should stop selling pork sausage in Spar? Maybe all women should wear the headscarf? We must not make ourselves a target so let's give into the Muslims?
Oh yes Copper Face Jacks,:D "where the caring professions go to get laid by the security forces" petunia
 

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The UN asked for Irish expertise on the EU mission.

Should we just ignore UN requests now - especially since our foreign policy is based on UN primacy and the need for a UN mandate before we can deploy more than 12 troops outside the State has been enshrined in Irish law?
couldn't care less - there is a civil war going on in Somalia against some Al Qaeda associated Islamist types.

And we're taking sides in that war. So we're either neutral or we're not - and that should be put to the people in a referendum. Not because some unknown bureaucratic hacks in the UN ask us to get involved.
 

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Maybe letting girls wear skimpy outfits in Coppers will make us a target? Maybe we should stop selling pork sausage in Spar? Maybe all women should wear the headscarf? We must not make ourselves a target so let's give into the Muslims?
I'm more worried about Irish foreign aid workers to be honest. It's very well known around the world that we are a neutral country, and that neutrality protects them.

Taking sides in the Somalia conflict is at direct odds with that.
 

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couldn't care less - there is a civil war going on in Somalia against some Al Qaeda associated Islamist types.

And we're taking sides in that war. So we're either neutral or we're not - and that should be put to the people in a referendum. Not because some unknown bureaucratic hacks in the UN ask us to get involved.
The UN has taken sides in the civil war and we are part of the UN.

And we are not neutral - we are militarily unaligned. There is a very big difference.
 

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who cares? dont we have ANY politician with the balls to say feck off with your foreign wars?
The AU is involved in Somalia, as are the UN. Al Shabab are not a national force nor at any time have they been a recognised government. But they have been steadily exporting mayhem into neighbouring African countries. It would seem by some of the reactions on here that a few posters are happy to see bloodshed and instability continue in Somalia or are closet Al Shabab fans. Such blood thirsty idiots should be ignored.
 

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I'm more worried about Irish foreign aid workers to be honest. It's very well known around the world that we are a neutral country, and that neutrality protects them.

Taking sides in the Somalia conflict is at direct odds with that.
Somalia is completely different. To Al Shabab if you are a westerener and non Muslim you are an infidel. Punishment for that is Death. An Irish flag won't protect you from that. Belief in the sanctity of neutrality is old hat. In the world of asymetric warfare there are no rules. Close to home in the Omagh bombing there were no rules of war to protect two unborn babies and a Spanish student.

Ireland is not neutral. Neutrality is an aspirational policy and nothing more. In reality, neutrality is cowardice. To proclaim that you are never going to assist your friends, protect your citizens and protect your business interests is to admit you are living in a fantasy world.
 
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