Irish Free State (aka Rep of Ire) 1922-2010 RIP

Bill D Gallows

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Isn't it amazing to think we lost our Sovereignty this year and not one of the mainstream media covered it.

Instead, they reported on how Lenihan/ Cowen et all were valiantly fighting on our behalfs to save the economy and by extension our National Sovereignty.

Well, as I reflect on the year as it draws towards a conclusion and wait with trepidation for what 2011 will bring with it, I'm frankly disgusted that the Irish people have just rolled over like lambs while FF in particular have destroyed our economy and in doing so, handed our independence back to Brussels.

When did this happen you say ?, Well remember back around June, Lenihan travelled to Brussels to seek approval/ permission for his budget/banking plan and they told him what was needed to keep maintain their financial support for the country, that's when we lost our full independence.

While it was reported meekly by those who incidentally have no problem kicking the crap out of public sector workers, trade unions, social welfare recipients etc, they turned a blind eye to this momentous occasion.

And here we are now, being told by Europe that the 4 billion cuts are not enough to satisfy them and they want 6+ billion in return for their 'protection', regardless of what it does to our people. If that scenario happened in an episode of the Sopranos, we'd have another description for that type of 'protection'.

We need to now face some very unpalatable facts regardless of our various political backgrounds, namely:

1. Our Economy has been ruined, it will need to be reconstructed over several, perhaps many years.

2. Our hard fought and hard won Sovereignty has been lost and we are at the mercy of Europe/ IMF, given we realistically have no options other than those imposed by them, until such time as we rebuild our economic self- reliance.

3. The economic policies championed by Fianna Fail and the Progressive Democrats are the main reason the economy has been ruined.

If you accept that the above is true, then it is incumbent on you as an Irish citizen to ensure that the people who brought about this catastrophe are held to account for their actions or inactions.

It is also incumbent on you to ensure that the new Irish Free State emerges with proper safeguards which prevent the likes of Fianna Fail and the Progressive Democrats ever having the opportunity to repeat what they have wreaked upon the Irish people.

In the meantime, it is incumbent on you as an Irish citizen to rally to the calls now going out to prevent further sabotage to what remains of our beleaguered economy for not just our sakes, but for the sake of our children's futures as well.

In this regard, you can begin the long road back by joining the march planned for Dublin on Saturday 27th November, which will rally at the GPO, where our independence was fought for almost a century ago.

It is now time for us to set aside our differences and unite as a people in order to rebuild our economy and reclaim our country from those who have failed and betrayed us.

If getting to Dublin on the 27th is too much hassle, then we deserve what we get. Well, not those who make the effort.
 


kodak

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Nothing was ever Free in this state we always had to pay one way or the other, pity it wasn't even good while it lasted.
 

Cassandra Syndrome

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Isn't it amazing to think we lost our Sovereignty this year and not one of the mainstream media covered it.

Instead, they reported on how Lenihan/ Cowen et all were valiantly fighting on our behalfs to save the economy and by extension our National Sovereignty.

Well, as I reflect on the year as it draws towards a conclusion and wait with trepidation for what 2011 will bring with it, I'm frankly disgusted that the Irish people have just rolled over like lambs while FF in particular have destroyed our economy and in doing so, handed our independence back to Brussels.

When did this happen you say ?, Well remember back around June, Lenihan travelled to Brussels to seek approval/ permission for his budget/banking plan and they told him what was needed to keep maintain their financial support for the country, that's when we lost our full independence.

While it was reported meekly by those who incidentally have no problem kicking the crap out of public sector workers, trade unions, social welfare recipients etc, they turned a blind eye to this momentous occasion.

And here we are now, being told by Europe that the 4 billion cuts are not enough to satisfy them and they want 6+ billion in return for their 'protection', regardless of what it does to our people. If that scenario happened in an episode of the Sopranos, we'd have another description for that type of 'protection'.

We need to now face some very unpalatable facts regardless of our various political backgrounds, namely:

1. Our Economy has been ruined, it will need to be reconstructed over several, perhaps many years.

2. Our hard fought and hard won Sovereignty has been lost and we are at the mercy of Europe/ IMF, given we realistically have no options other than those imposed by them, until such time as we rebuild our economic self- reliance.

3. The economic policies championed by Fianna Fail and the Progressive Democrats are the main reason the economy has been ruined.

If you accept that the above is true, then it is incumbent on you as an Irish citizen to ensure that the people who brought about this catastrophe are held to account for their actions or inactions.

It is also incumbent on you to ensure that the new Irish Free State emerges with proper safeguards which prevent the likes of Fianna Fail and the Progressive Democrats ever having the opportunity to repeat what they have wreaked upon the Irish people.

In the meantime, it is incumbent on you as an Irish citizen to rally to the calls now going out to prevent further sabotage to what remains of our beleaguered economy for not just our sakes, but for the sake of our children's futures as well.

In this regard, you can begin the long road back by joining the march planned for Dublin on Saturday 27th November, which will rally at the GPO, where our independence was fought for almost a century ago.

It is now time for us to set aside our differences and unite as a people in order to rebuild our economy and reclaim our country from those who have failed and betrayed us.

If getting to Dublin on the 27th is too much hassle, then we deserve what we get. Well, not those who make the effort.
+1

Count me in. This should appeal across the spectrum (outside of the neo feudal traitors of course) as all marches of late should.

Look back on Ireland's life I think that dramatic political, cultural and economic revolution in the 60s under Lemass was its Halcyon era. The 90s had some form of savings induced real wealth creation growth, but after 1999, it was Kamekaze.
 

darkhorse

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We did not lose our soveirgnty this year
We lost it on a gradual basis over the last 10 years as we outbid each other to buy property
Each increase in property prices over that period was achieved as a result of your average Joe and his big brother Joe-investor offering a little more for property than before.
As a result Joe the developer, borrowed 10xJoe's mortgage to try to build properties to sell to Joe himself.
As each 100k was borrowed, the borrower sold his/her future to the lender and the country lost a small percentage of soveirgnty to its lenders.
Multiply all that by 100000 and here we are now.
 

Bill D Gallows

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We did not lose our soveirgnty this year
We lost it on a gradual basis over the last 10 years as we outbid each other to buy property
Each increase in property prices over that period was achieved as a result of your average Joe and his big brother Joe-investor offering a little more for property than before.
As a result Joe the developer, borrowed 10xJoe's mortgage to try to build properties to sell to Joe himself.
As each 100k was borrowed, the borrower sold his/her future to the lender and the country lost a small percentage of soveirgnty to its lenders.
Multiply all that by 100000 and here we are now.
Give me a break with the auld ' we're all to blame' rhetoric.

The reason people ended up borrowing hundreds of thousands to buy their homes was because of what Bertie and McCreevy's policies started, when they severed the limits you could safely borrow in comparison to wages.

Have you forgotten the builders releasing 'Phase 1' on a Monday and by Friday jacking up 'Phase 2' by tens of thousands of euro.

Have you forgotten 'gazumping', when the builders would jack up the price even after you agreed to buy at a particular price.

Have you forgotten the 'shortage' of available land, which was blamed for jacking up the price of houses.

Have you forgotten that these same builders held all these land banks in reserve and drip fed them to keep house prices artificially high.

Have you forgotten the 'shortage' of new houses, which kept people queuing around the block.

Have you forgotten whose tent these developers frequented every summer.

Have you forgotten whose job it was to protect the citizens.

Have you forgotten who has been left with the bill now that the party is over.
 

Mister_Jinks

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In this regard, you can begin the long road back by joining the march planned for Dublin on Saturday 27th November, which will rally at the GPO, where our independence was fought for almost a century ago.
Hey Bill. Is there a website with details of this march? I'd like to pass it around if so. I'll be attending by the way.
 

BlackLion

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what different groups will be joining this protest? Will the OAPs be joining this protest? will they join this protest cause they fear the government might take their pensions, so they can force the governement to rob off the single mothers and children allowence instead. Will students with passion join this protest so they tell their children that they where their when Ireland moved foward and got back it's hope. No just joining this protest cause they believe that everyone owns them an education, why should they work like their parents did to get an education. Will Bar stool protesters only get off their arse when the pubs they go to close down and then blame everyone else for not doing enough at the time. I'll go to this protest if these other groups go for all the good reasons, not for themselves. Don't bring your hate for this goverment to this protest, Just bring your hope for change. don't let it be hijacked by anger but by peace.

More rants with bad grammer to follow :mad: ;)
 

Cael

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Isn't it amazing to think we lost our Sovereignty this year and not one of the mainstream media covered it.
We lost it in 1922, when the treaty of surrender was signed.
 

darkhorse

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Give me a break with the auld ' we're all to blame' rhetoric.

The reason people ended up borrowing hundreds of thousands to buy their homes was because of what Bertie and McCreevy's policies started, when they severed the limits you could safely borrow in comparison to wages.

Have you forgotten the builders releasing 'Phase 1' on a Monday and by Friday jacking up 'Phase 2' by tens of thousands of euro.

Have you forgotten 'gazumping', when the builders would jack up the price even after you agreed to buy at a particular price.

Have you forgotten the 'shortage' of available land, which was blamed for jacking up the price of houses.

Have you forgotten that these same builders held all these land banks in reserve and drip fed them to keep house prices artificially high.

Have you forgotten the 'shortage' of new houses, which kept people queuing around the block.

Have you forgotten whose tent these developers frequented every summer.

Have you forgotten whose job it was to protect the citizens.

Have you forgotten who has been left with the bill now that the party is over.
No I havent forgotten all that 'auld sh1te'...
You are referring to the time when Irish builders jacked up prices because there was a queue of Irish suckers willing to pay stupid prices outside the door...
and the time when it seems that there was a 'shortage of houses' when in reality there were a lot of greedy Irish investors trying to make a killing and rent out some kip to unsuspecting eastern europeans.
Face it, there was never a Celtic Tiger', it was an Irish greed fest where Irish people paid stupid money to other Irish people for crap property in the belief that it would assist their long term financial security
The problem is Irish greed and Irish insecurity - no more no less.
 

Cael

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What sovereignty did we have under the Union, Cael, or are you speaking metaphysically?
We had the sovereign 32 County Irish Republic.
 
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Did anyone see Lenny on BBC2 Newsnight?

When questioned had we lost our sovereignty He declared that Ireland shares her Sovereignty with Europe!
 
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Whilst im all for a march I have to question why on a Sat?

There will be no TD`s around, the Dail will be shut.

It would make much more sense to do this midweek outside Leinster House.
 

cedissapointed

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we are germans now

yep we better get our storm trooper badges on :mad: lotta angry unemployed ****************************** about :rolleyes:
 

darkhorse

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Whilst im all for a march I have to question why on a Sat?

There will be no TD`s around, the Dail will be shut.

It would make much more sense to do this midweek outside Leinster House.
You PS workers dont work on Sat - am I right BC?
 

TonyBird

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Whilst im all for a march I have to question why on a Sat?

There will be no TD`s around, the Dail will be shut.

It would make much more sense to do this midweek outside Leinster House.
So , essentially you are calling for a 'national strike' ?
Interesting . I dont believe 'congress' has a mandate for that .
 


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