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Irish Government complicit in Intelligence gathering for Loyalist Paramilitaries ?


Airwave

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According to the de Silva report. 85% of all Loyalist Intelligence was provided by the security services which including RUC special branch and the Force Research Unit ,Given that the Garda Siochana were Passing Sensitive security information to these same organisations ,does this not imply that our Government was partly responsible for the actions of these Death Squads? apart from there murders activities in the north there were also a number of high profile attacks on our side of the border .the most notorious being the Execution of Sinn Fein Cllr Eddie Fullerton in Donegal .For years both the mainstream media in Ireland and Irish Politicians have claimed that any talk of Collusion with Loyalist death squads was the work of anti British Cranks and Provo Sympathiser .What say ye now?
 

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Why did the Gardai raid Eddie Fullerton's house in Buncrana, shortly before his death and draw a sketched plan of the interior of his house, including who slept in each bedroom???
 

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Why did the Gardai, who were carrying out a surveillance operation outside the Widow Scallons, drive away minutes before the British death squad arrived?
 

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Is anyone surprised that the gardai and other Irish security services were infiltrated by foreign agents? That's what foreign agents do - pay traitors.
 

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Is anyone surprised that the gardai and other Irish security services were infiltrated by foreign agents? That's what foreign agents do - pay traitors.

patrick crinnion and john mccoy are only the tip of the iceberg, not even including edmund garvey
 

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It's easy to forget now, with all the revisionist historians about, that SF were being helped by Gaddafy and the Soviet Union, and lots of people down here didn't like the sound of that. They had started a "war" and I'd say poor Eddie knew the risks he was taking.
 

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According to the de Silva report. 85% of all Loyalist Intelligence was provided by the security services which including RUC special branch and the Force Research Unit ,Given that the Garda Siochana were Passing Sensitive security information to these same organisations ,does this not imply that our Government was partly responsible for the actions of these Death Squads? apart from there murders activities in the north there were also a number of high profile attacks on our side of the border .the most notorious being the Execution of Sinn Fein Cllr Eddie Fullerton in Donegal .For years both the mainstream media in Ireland and Irish Politicians have claimed that any talk of Collusion with Loyalist death squads was the work of anti British Cranks and Provo Sympathiser .What say ye now?
It's been undisputed for several years now that there was Collusion as a result of the Stevens Inquiries.
 

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Considering that there were so many informers in the ranks of the IRA I'd suggest that the IRA was the single biggest and most important source of intelligence passed onto to murder squads
 

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It's not a matter of infiltration, it was policy for the 26 county security forces to cooperate with their counterparts in the north.
Of course it was.

The IRA opposed the existence of the Irish state and committed many acts within the Irish State and against it's Secruity Services. The British government and the Irish government had a mutual enemy and of course they would work together to defeat that enemy. To do anything else would be to knowingly assist the IRA.
 

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According to the de Silva report. 85% of all Loyalist Intelligence was provided by the security services which including RUC special branch and the Force Research Unit ,Given that the Garda Siochana were Passing Sensitive security information to these same organisations ,does this not imply that our Government was partly responsible for the actions of these Death Squads? apart from there murders activities in the north there were also a number of high profile attacks on our side of the border .the most notorious being the Execution of Sinn Fein Cllr Eddie Fullerton in Donegal .For years both the mainstream media in Ireland and Irish Politicians have claimed that any talk of Collusion with Loyalist death squads was the work of anti British Cranks and Provo Sympathiser .What say ye now?
It only would be complicity if the Garda knowingly gave the info to be passed onto loyalists.
 

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I'd like to think the Irish government used every possible channel to try and defeat the IRA, given that republicans were responsible for killing more of our defense forces than all other killers combined, but I think it's fanciful to suggest that they worked with loyalists. Such pro-active activity in defeating a common enemy could only be admired.
 

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Security Service propaganda initiatives : Pat Finucane Review (Vol 1, Chpt 15)

15.19 The note also provided an explanation as to how the public circulation of details of PIRA players would assist the intelligence agencies' wider strategy. It included the comment that:

"It has been agreed that disruption is the alternative as recruitment of PIRA players has proved impossible, and this would provide an ideal opportunity for unnerving the unrecruitable." [8]


In a couple of sentences a whole generation of books, 'expert opinions' and 'reliable sources' have been exposed as a complete set of lies. Quite a few posters who hung on the every word of Hurst et al have been exposed as irrelevant tossers.

Just think, there are a myriad of organistions who base their very existence on how 'they know' the IRA was led to the discussion table because of infiltraion etc etc. They are now exposed as simply disseminating the propaganda MI5 lined up for them.

Today they stand embarrassed, even more the irrelevant bollixes most republicans knew they already were.
 

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I'd like to think the Irish government used every possible channel to try and defeat the IRA, given that republicans were responsible for killing more of our defense forces than all other killers combined, but I think it's fanciful to suggest that they worked with loyalists. Such pro-active activity in defeating a common enemy could only be admired.

How about allowing their own capital city to be bombed, you know to get any nervous nellies on side?
 
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How about allowing their own capital city, you know to get any nervous nellies on side?
That was a different era. The Loyalists were "returning the serve" for "Bloody Friday" etc. and of course we're never likely to know how many IRA guns were funded and supplied by Haughey/Blaney/Boland etc.
 

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That was a different era. The Loyalists were "returning the serve" for "Bloody Friday" etc. and of course we're never likely to know how many IRA guns were funded and supplied by Haughey/Blaney/Boland etc.

Yeah Keith thats why the files disappeared. Loyalists couldn't have found their own holes without the FRU to show them where it was.

Carry on.
 

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It's easy to forget now, with all the revisionist historians about, that SF were being helped by Gaddafy and the Soviet Union, and lots of people down here didn't like the sound of that. They had started a "war" and I'd say poor Eddie knew the risks he was taking.
Do you know what revisionist means.
 
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