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ShoutingIsLeadership

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That is brain dead shite.

The OECD figures are the among the most reliable figures in the world.

What are your alternatives?

Quote your sources.
Have you figures for indirect taxation? Have you compared our two tier health service, which sees the poor and low paid spend years in pain or discomfort, on waiting lists, with those of other countries?
 

shiel

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Is this your deluded excuse for those vulnerable in society won't be punished by banning 2 for 1 meals and putting levies on cheap and second hand clothes?

Fcuking hell...I thought the other deranged FG trolls hbap, marcos and co were bad.
I merely quote the facts that the Irish tax system is one of the most progressive tax systems of the advanced countries that are in the OECD.

International comparisons say that public policy ensures that net of all transfers poorer people pay little tax while the rich pay most of the tax,

If the proposals that are listed in the article you quote are not in the interest of poorer sections of society then we argue against them before they are implemented.

They are not implemented yet so lets get going.
 

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Have you figures for indirect taxation? Have you compared our two tier health service, which sees the poor and low paid spend years in pain or discomfort, on waiting lists, with those of other countries?
Of the 46 most developed countries quoted by the OECD Irish total health expenditure per capita ranks 12th.
 

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I merely quote the facts that the Irish tax system is one of the most progressive tax systems of the advanced countries that are in the OECD.

International comparisons say that public policy ensures that net of all transfers poorer people pay little tax while the rich pay most of the tax,

If the proposals that are listed in the article you quote are not in the interest of poorer sections of society then we argue against them before they are implemented.

They are not implemented yet so lets get going.
We can all play that game.

Ireland is the biggest “tax haven” in the world used by multinationals to shelter profits, according to a new study by economists from the United States and Denmark.

The research from academics at the University California, Berkeley and the University of Copenhagen estimates that foreign multinationals shifted $106 billion (€90 billion) of corporate profits to Ireland in 2015.
This was more than all of the islands of the Caribbean combined ($97 billion/€83 billion), and well ahead of Singapore ($70 billion/€60 billion), Switzerland ($58 billion/€49 billion) and the Netherlands ($57 billion/€48 billion), according to the researchers.
“By our estimates, Ireland is the number one shifting destination,” the paper states.

Tell us why the poor should be further punished and taxed extra for cheaper food and cheaper clothes?
It's a big mistake by the coalition of chaos again.....the policies proposed are madcap.
 

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The Irish tax system is relatively good at taxing the rich.

Those on low incomes pay low or no income tax.
You are deluded on this.....unbelievable coming from you a FG hack. FG is your source ha?

Ireland tax system isn't progressive because the low paid workers are taxed in various ways irrespective of their income such as LPT(your beloved FG hogan started this), Vat, water tax.

However it doesn't affect the rich but it does affect the low paid worker. That is NOT progressive tax.
 

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That is brain dead shite.

The OECD figures are the among the most reliable figures in the world.

What are your alternatives?

Quote your sources.
EU doesn't rely on OCED figures for their own reasons such as data can be manipulated and distorted .

They have their own figures such as their databank. OCED used Gini Co efficient method re gap between rich and poor.

Whereas EU used the own method instead of gini Co efficient which showed a widening gap between rich and poor.

You spouts so much rubbish which isn't surprising cos you used dodgy FG sources.
 

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You are deluded on this.....unbelievable coming from you a FG hack. FG is your source ha?
Bollox.

Nothing to do with partisan party political shite.

Just quoting the international figures published throughout the world.
 

shiel

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EU doesn't rely on OCED figures for their own reasons such as data can be manipulated and distorted .

They have their own figures such as their databank. OCED used Gini Co efficient method re gap between rich and poor.

Whereas EU used the own method instead of gini Co efficient which showed a widening gap between rich and poor.

You spouts so much rubbish which isn't surprising cos you used dodgy FG sources.
EU figures match the OECD figures pretty much.

Example EU figures show Ireland 14th of 40 countries in expenditure per capita on health.

The OECD figure was 12th out of 46 in per capita expenditure on health,
 

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Of the 46 most developed countries quoted by the OECD Irish total health expenditure per capita ranks 12th.
Not what I asked. I asked about comparing outcomes. Are there other developed countries where income levels impact so hugely on the ability to get timely and appropriate healthcare?
 

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Seems to me that these latests measures fever dreamed up by the Greens has FA to do with paying taxes. It has to do with ensuring that the poor have less food and less clothes. Their masters having already ensured that these folks cannot afford property in their own country.

As for your 'but the rich pay more taxes' argument. Why don't you go fcuk yourself with it?

Next Ryan will suggest that folks cannot buy cornflakes in bulk, that they must now purchase them individually. That might even create employment as brigades will be needed to put biodegradable price stickers on each one.
 

shiel

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EU doesn't rely on OCED figures for their own reasons such as data can be manipulated and distorted .

They have their own figures such as their databank. OCED used Gini Co efficient method re gap between rich and poor.

Whereas EU used the own method instead of gini Co efficient which showed a widening gap between rich and poor.

You spouts so much rubbish which isn't surprising cos you used dodgy FG sources.
The sources are internationally accepted standard figures.

Gini coefficient EU comparisons show Ireland 14th in measuring relative fairness of incomes.
 

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You are BS again.

Gini coefficient is a measure of INEQUALITY in the income or wealth distribution. NOT fairness as you said.

Inequality does not equate to fairness.
 

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You are BS again.

Gini coefficient is a measure of INEQUALITY in the income or wealth distribution. NOT fairness as you said.

Inequality does not equate to fairness.
Inequality of incomes has nothing to do with fairness?

Oh God where do we go from here?
 

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So Ireland is officially in a recession again, when do we start bailing out RTE,developers and the banks?
 

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So Ireland is officially in a recession again, when do we start bailing out RTE,developers and the banks?
Recession is a definition of negative(metric) or economic decline in two successive quarters.

Noticed that rte pravda aka Stockholm syndrome to FFG govt was saying its 6.1 % in GDP which was misleading. Cos gdp includes all sectors of multi national companies (MNC) and also FDI as well.

The real metric here is GNI - gross national income which might be a lot higher than gdp say anything from 8% to 12 or more.
 

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So Ireland is officially in a recession again, when do we start bailing out RTE,developers and the banks?
Pity we cannot blame RTE, developers and the banks for the corona virus like we could for the collapse the last time.
 

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So Ireland is officially in a recession again, when do we start bailing out RTE,developers and the banks?
HaHa,
MaryLou said she wanted to form a government in the 26.
With whom?
You've been asked dozens of times,
Each time you run away from answering!
Thanks.
 

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No
Mary Lou is entirely likely to get her wish I'd say.
 

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There are people in Ireland who would prefer to see a Lord Lieutenant back in Dublin Castle than see Sinn Fein form a government. Mostly called 'Bruton' but amazingly there are some others.
 

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