Irish Govt Proposals On Counter-Terrorism Legislation. Passenger Name Record (PNR).

Lara2

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On RTE 9 o'clock news last night there was a brief 2 or 3 minutes about this new govt proposal. Charlie Flanagan was videoed saying this was necessary and said it is a preventative against terrorism, trafficking, paedophiles and drug smugglers. Blink and you would have missed it. No wonder it was slotted into a 2 minute section on a Saturday night news that lasts for 15 minutes.

RTE website tells a bit more: https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0203/938097-passenger-data/

Basically, there will be a Passenger Information Unit (PRU) set up, which will collect, process and transfer all passenger information leaving or entering the state to and from Europe. Passenger information will be deleted after 5 years. We are told what we won't be asked - passenger's race, political and racial beliefs - but we are not told what we will be asked, or what information is required.

There will be a PNR, or a passenger Name Record on every passenger and we are told that this is an EU counter-terrorism directive that Ireland signed up to and must be implemented by the 25th of May this year.

And apparently (and conveniently) there's no problem with data protection either.

What do posters think about this?
Has anyone heard anything about it before last night?
Exactly what passenger information will be required?

As we are an island, basically anyone leaving the country has to do so by air, unlike Europe where you can just drive or use public transport from country to country.
 


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Our native aversion to centralised personal data sets is a cause of public sector inefficiencies and failures as well as undermining faith in elections given how much the electoral register is out.

Nordics consider centralised data, including publically-available data on incomes, to be a natural part of running an effective state.

It's not always about Big Brother.
 

Lara2

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Our native aversion to centralised personal data sets is a cause of public sector inefficiencies and failures as well as undermining faith in elections given how much the electoral register is out.

Nordics consider centralised data, including publically-available data on incomes, to be a natural part of running an effective state.

It's not always about Big Brother.
It is they who make it sound dodgy by slipping it into a 9 o'clock news for 2 minutes on a Saturday night and then telling us what information ISN'T required like race, religious and political beliefs - which i would have thought, would be a big no-no anyway - and neglects to tell us exactly what information will be required.

Will it be like the information required when travelling to America, for example?

Has anyone heard of this before last night's Saturday news when many people are out socialising?
 

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I would assume it will be the same information you have on your passport. I'm not bothered. I don't know what huge headline news and discussion you would want.
 

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On RTE 9 o'clock news last night there was a brief 2 or 3 minutes about this new govt proposal. Charlie Flanagan was videoed saying this was necessary and said it is a preventative against terrorism, trafficking, paedophiles and drug smugglers. Blink and you would have missed it. No wonder it was slotted into a 2 minute section on a Saturday night news that lasts for 15 minutes.

RTE website tells a bit more: https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0203/938097-passenger-data/

Basically, there will be a Passenger Information Unit (PRU) set up, which will collect, process and transfer all passenger information leaving or entering the state to and from Europe. Passenger information will be deleted after 5 years. We are told what we won't be asked - passenger's race, political and racial beliefs - but we are not told what we will be asked, or what information is required.

There will be a PNR, or a passenger Name Record on every passenger and we are told that this is an EU counter-terrorism directive that Ireland signed up to and must be implemented by the 25th of May this year.

And apparently (and conveniently) there's no problem with data protection either.

What do posters think about this?
Has anyone heard anything about it before last night?
Exactly what passenger information will be required?

As we are an island, basically anyone leaving the country has to do so by air, unlike Europe where you can just drive or use public transport from country to country.
High time this was done. The amount of illegals that come in here and stay with impunity is shocking. Thanks to the fact we don't check who leaves.
 

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It is necessary.

I would add that it might even catch the odd tax-non-domicile.
 

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What is the problem with the law getting more information on everyone- if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about-
 

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Eh, does it apply to passengers on private jets... people like Denis? Or people on the government jet, like Ministers and officials? Just wondering.
 

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We bring in a law to protect against Muslims trying to hijack planes but don't even register who is a Muslim , so what's the point then?
 

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What is the problem with the law getting more information on everyone- if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about-
Yer bricking it then Mick...
 

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On RTE 9 o'clock news last night there was a brief 2 or 3 minutes about this new govt proposal. Charlie Flanagan was videoed saying this was necessary and said it is a preventative against terrorism, trafficking, paedophiles and drug smugglers. Blink and you would have missed it. No wonder it was slotted into a 2 minute section on a Saturday night news that lasts for 15 minutes.

RTE website tells a bit more: https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0203/938097-passenger-data/

Basically, there will be a Passenger Information Unit (PRU) set up, which will collect, process and transfer all passenger information leaving or entering the state to and from Europe. Passenger information will be deleted after 5 years. We are told what we won't be asked - passenger's race, political and racial beliefs - but we are not told what we will be asked, or what information is required.

There will be a PNR, or a passenger Name Record on every passenger and we are told that this is an EU counter-terrorism directive that Ireland signed up to and must be implemented by the 25th of May this year.

And apparently (and conveniently) there's no problem with data protection either.

What do posters think about this?
Has anyone heard anything about it before last night?
Exactly what passenger information will be required?

As we are an island, basically anyone leaving the country has to do so by air, unlike Europe where you can just drive or use public transport from country to country.
There will always be a trade off between security and privacy, I don't think this over steps the mark, but who knows, its not as if politicians are above abusing their powers.
 


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