Irish Health Organisation Says System Is Failing, Care Is Being Rationed

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"We have a failing hospital system which is rationing health care to patients" says medical organisation

THE PRESIDENT OF an Irish medical organisation has lamented the state of Irish hospitals, saying that the public had become numbed by continuous bad news and that the system is “rationing health care” to patients.

The number of additional acute hospital beds needed in Ireland is equivalent to six large hospitals such as the Mater University Hospital or Cork University Hospital or Galway University Hospital according to the Irish Hospital Consultants Association (IHCA).

Dr Tom Ryan, president of the Irish Hospital Consultants Association (IHCA) made his comments today at the organisation’s annual conference in Kilkenny.
I wonder when this government is going to admit there is a problem. My guess is, never. As long as they have platinum health insurance which lets them jet off to other countries to get procedures done, do not expect them to do anything about the state of the health system here. I think all TDs should have their insurance taken away and be given medical cards. They should have to use the public system which they oversee. That would definitely get real reform to happen.
 


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People don't give a shyte about the health service. Water charges of 260 a year brought people onto the street. People dying on trollies, sure, yhat's grand.


Michael Martin set up the HSE, you don't seriously expect FF to support its abolition.

Irish people clearly don't and never have given a fck for our health service. Abolish it and move everything to the private sector.

If you can't afford insurance, tough shyte.
 

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People don't give a shyte about the health service. Water charges of 260 a year brought people onto the street. People dying on trollies, sure, yhat's grand.


Michael Martin set up the HSE, you don't seriously expect FF to support its abolition.

Irish people clearly don't and never have given a fck for our health service. Abolish it and move everything to the private sector.

If you can't afford insurance, tough shyte.
That's the irony really. No one cares about it until they find themselves on a trolley for eight hours. With the biggest support for Fine Gael and Fianna Fail being people of older generations they will be the ones who get to experience the error of voting FG/FG first hand when they end up on trolleys.

But people are not going to take to the streets to fight for a better health system when a majority of people will never see the inside of a hospital until they get much older.
 

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The "health care" system in this country is about neither "health" nor "care".

It's about money. It's money care.

When you get that idea clear in your own mind, everything else about it clicks into place.
 

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Prof Drumm former CEO of the HSE argued that improved patient turnover in hospital beds was key and that adding more beds was very wasteful given the investment needed in back up facilities. Could the consultants be trying to build bed empires in the already too numerous 29 acute care hospitals?
 

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Prof Drumm former CEO of the HSE argued that improved patient turnover in hospital beds was key and that adding more beds was very wasteful given the investment needed in back up facilities. Could the consultants be trying to build bed empires in the already too numerous 29 acute care hospitals?
So the best way to get at consultants is to close beds? Close all the beds , that will show them.:roll:


Tell me Pat , which of the Dublin hospitals do you think we should close?
 

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Clair Kelly ‏@wheresclair 47m47 minutes ago
My Dad just finished chemo, has been given a 4 month wait for a PET scan to see if his treatment worked. Our health system is failing us
 

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The "health care" system in this country is about neither "health" nor "care".

It's about money. It's money care.

When you get that idea clear in your own mind, everything else about it clicks into place.
A1. Liam Doran was on the radio this morning calling for 'increased investment in our health services'.

Which all sounded very fine and noble. Who could argue with that? Until he admitted that 'increased investment' was code for 'pay nurses more'.

We shouldn't put one extra cent into Health until the structural issues and more importantly, the ingrained culture in the HSE is totally reformed.
 

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So the best way to get at consultants is to close beds? Close all the beds , that will show them.:roll:


Tell me Pat , which of the Dublin hospitals do you think we should close?
Bed turnover is key to increasing bed capacity, not the hugely expensive addition of more beds requiring a full range of back up services.
 

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Claims that ED patients were hidden from Minister
Bernie English | October 13, 2016
bernie@limerickpost.ie

University-Hospital-Limerick-1FURIOUS patients and their relatives who were in the emergency department at University Hospital Limerick when it was visited by Health Minister Simon Harris last Friday have claimed that patients and trolleys were hidden from him.

In a tirade on social media, a number of people who were in the emergency department claimed that trolleys were moved and patients transferred to other hospitals in preparation for the arrival of the Minister and the local media.

One patient, Jasmine Moynihan, an 18 year old applied languages student at the University of Limerick who lives in Dooradoyle spent a total of 52 hours in the emergency department and was there when the MInister visited.

“I was absolutely shocked and appalled by what I witnessed that day.

“A big fuss was made for the Minister. He strutted in the doors without a care in the world with his Garda escort. He then had the audacity to shake our hands while we lay, beds bumper to bumper, wheelchairs unable to pass, sweating and in pain.

“The most shocking part was trolleys being moved out of sight in a hurry, crammed into the corridors of tiny wards without essentials and sent to Nenagh general and Croom orthopaedic hospitals until the Minister and the media left.

“The doctor specifically told the Minister there was only 16 people on beds when in reality there was about 40 shoved into different places. ...

Claims that ED patients were hidden from Minister : Limerick Post Newspaper

Daithi ‏@tvcritics 45m45 minutes ago
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Still sick to hear my mum was moved by ambulance from Limerick Hospital, ED to Nenagh hospital last Friday to hide her from @SimonHarrisTD
 

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The whole point is that the system is being deliberately run down so that people will rush in the direction of the solution that Ministers want- privatisation.

Deliberately arranged crises. Weigh the service down with expensive supply contracts and starve it of investment on the other side.

Pretty soon more and more people will be calling for privatisation to rationalise costs and improve the cashflow.

Sit back and wait. Look concerned a lot. Visit a few hospitals. Sit back and wait some more until a situation arises where you are privatising because of public demand.

Oh. And make sure that the family and friends know when to buy shares in companies who stand to benefit from health service privatisation.
 

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Primary Healthcare

:DThe Dublin Dental University Hospital offers Primary health-care.
The Hospital has replaced the initial examination of a patient’s need with an examination of the patient’s suitability for teaching needs.

“The training of the student dentists is a primary function of this Hospital”, posted on dentalhospital.ie/patient-information/access-to-services, is a half-story (leithscéal)

Reasons why “teaching hospital” is a half-story include,

1. The Hospital was established by the Minister for Health, not the Minister for Education.
2. The Hospital (Establishment Order) 1963 lists “conduct, maintain and manage a hospital” (function b) before that of “training students” (function c)
3. Examining the patient’s need at a first appointment is essential Primary care and suitable work for students under supervision.
4. Ombudsman Case HB2/15/0767, available on request (085-1361445)
 

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Oral Hygiene

:DThe reply to Dail Question Number 386 is mischievous. “There have been no changes to the Dublin Dental Hospital’s patient acceptance procedures for student clinics.” This is not true.
One change is breathtaking in scope; Primary healthcare, in which, at a first appointment, a student examines a patient’s need (patient centred) is changed to Primary healthcare, in which, at a first appointment a professor examines a patient’s suitability for teaching needs (student centred).

A core activity at the Hospital, clinical service (function b), ordered by the Minister for Health, is undermined. (irishstatutes.ie/eli/1963/si/129)


The Health Information and Quality Authority (HIQA) is unable to examine the issue, because the Health Service Executive (HSE) does not fund the Dental Hospital. Part-funding for the Hospital, over €20 million, was provided in equal measure (50%/50%) by the Departments of Health and Education. The ratio is now 50% Education, 25% Health.

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