Irish homes not safe as our army protects people in Africa.

The Field Marshal

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Todays RTE news at one reported :

[1]a horrific attack on an elderly woman living alone in her own home in the Waterford area by 3 men who beat her and tied her to a post in the middle of the night and

[2] on the Irish army in Chad protecting the inhabitents from attacks.


Im beginning to wonder is our army in the wrong place.
 
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Todays RTE news at one reported :

[1]a horrific attack on an elderly woman living alone in her own home in the Killkenny area by 3 men who beat her and tied her to a post in the middle of the night and

[2] on the Irish army in Chad protecting the inhabitents from attacks.


Im beginning to wonder is our army in the wrong place.
No. But your brain obviously is, is you can equate a robbery with preventing genocide.
 

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Todays RTE news at one reported :

[1]a horrific attack on an elderly woman living alone in her own home in the Killkenny area by 3 men who beat her and tied her to a post in the middle of the night and

[2] on the Irish army in Chad protecting the inhabitents from attacks.


Im beginning to wonder is our army in the wrong place.
How do i put this without offending you loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
 

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so what exactly would the army have done to prevent this attack if they weren't in Africa?
 

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I would be fairly sure that when they catch these creatures you will find that they have plenty of form. The army ain't going to help this as the police keep catching the same guys over and over and they and us are failed by the state and judiciary.Our criminal justice system is so flawed and arcane that it needs a complete overhaul. Will not be holding my breath though.
 

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The day the army is pulled in to police the streets of the South it would be a very sad day as a total breakdown of law and order would of happened or a natural disaster of gross magnitude.

The army in Chad are doing a good job in extremely difficult circumstances. Having talked to a number of guys who were over there, they report that the base is attacked on an almost daily basis. Sometimes by rebels and sometimes by their so called allies, the Chad army. Its a miracle they haven't sustained a casualty yet. If there is criticism on what they're doing there it should fall on the direction of the mission.
 

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The purpose of my post was to highlight the breakdown in law and order in Ireland.
Quite clearly the state is beginning to fail in its primary duty which is to ensure that citizens feel safe in their own homes.

My reference to the Irish army was intended to
a] highlight the lack of priorities in government expenditure and
b] voice support for McCarthy report to stop wasting taxpayers money on dubious foreign adventures
 

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Todays RTE news at one reported :

[1]a horrific attack on an elderly woman living alone in her own home in the Killkenny area by 3 men who beat her and tied her to a post in the middle of the night and

[2] on the Irish army in Chad protecting the inhabitents from attacks.


Im beginning to wonder is our army in the wrong place.
The two issues have nothing to do with each other, but to discuss the issue of the attack on the elderly woman: only within the last couple of week a perfectly good motion was put before the government which would allow people to defend their homes. It was recommended that anyone who attacked or robbed an elderly person should receive a minimum automatic 3 year sentence.

I thought this was brilliant, but of course our backwards dumb@ss government rejected the proposal because it was put forward by a back bencher, and good God, they could not support a perfectly good idea from a back bencher.
 

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luvmycountry, that's because it would hugely violate the principle of equal protection under the law. A 65-year old should get the same protection under the law as a 21-year old, not more or less. And saying that someone who robbed a 21-year old should get half the penalty of a rape is ludicrous.

There's "tough on crime" and then there's "draconian". That proposal was much closer to the former than the latter.
 

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The purpose of my post was to highlight the breakdown in law and order in Ireland.
Quite clearly the state is beginning to fail in its primary duty which is to ensure that citizens feel safe in their own homes.

My reference to the Irish army was intended to
a] highlight the lack of priorities in government expenditure and
b] voice support for McCarthy report to stop wasting taxpayers money on dubious foreign adventures
One of the chief principles of Irish foreign policy, as set out in the Constitution of Ireland, which the people of Ireland adopted, enacted and gave to themselves, is that "Ireland affirms its devotion to the ideal of peace and friendly co-operation amongst nations founded on international justice and morality."

As part of that policy, Ireland takes part in missions mandated by the United Nations, whose objectives are consistent with that policy:



  1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
  2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
  3. To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and
  4. To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.
The families of the 90 Irish personnel who have died on UN overseas missions can take pride in their service which was dedicated to those objectives.

TEARS flowed at the weekend as a memorial was unveiled to honour all Irish soldiers who have died on UN overseas missions.

Hundreds of people attended the unveiling of a ‘wall of remembrance’ built just outside Our Lady Queen of Peace Church in Fermoy, Co Cork.

It bears the names of all 90 people – 85 soldiers, four field service officers and one garda – who have died on UN missions over the last 50 years.

It has been described as the country’s most complete list of deaths on UN missions.
Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/memorial-honours-irish-soldiers-who-died-on-un-duty-103128.html#ixzz0TplzJkQJ
 

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Would you rather we used the army to police Waterford?
 

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One of the chief principles of Irish foreign policy, as set out in the Constitution of Ireland, which the people of Ireland adopted, enacted and gave to themselves, is that "Ireland affirms its devotion to the ideal of peace and friendly co-operation amongst nations founded on international justice and morality."

As part of that policy, Ireland takes part in missions mandated by the United Nations, whose objectives are consistent with that policy:



  1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
  2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
  3. To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and
  4. To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.
The families of the 90 Irish personnel who have died on UN overseas missions can take pride in their service which was dedicated to those objectives.



Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/memorial-honours-irish-soldiers-who-died-on-un-duty-103128.html#ixzz0TplzJkQJ
So in your view this constitutional objective takes precedence over national budgetary and internal security constraints.

I would have thought the paramount & first duty of any government was to ensure the safety and security of its own citizens.
 

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Todays RTE news at one reported :

[1]a horrific attack on an elderly woman living alone in her own home in the Killkenny area by 3 men who beat her and tied her to a post in the middle of the night and

[2] on the Irish army in Chad protecting the inhabitents from attacks.


Im beginning to wonder is our army in the wrong place.
Do you have any idea whatsoever as to the difference between police and military?

Your first point is the job of the Gardaí and the Judiciary. The military are not a police force.

Your second point is covered by Marmurr1916.
 

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On a point of order. The UN largely pay the majority of what an overseas mission such as Chad or Liberia cost. Our defense budget wouldn't be able to sustain one of these missions for more than a couple of months so the point of spending priorities are void.
 

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The purpose of my post was to highlight the breakdown in law and order in Ireland.
Quite clearly the state is beginning to fail in its primary duty which is to ensure that citizens feel safe in their own homes.

My reference to the Irish army was intended to
a] highlight the lack of priorities in government expenditure and
b] voice support for McCarthy report to stop wasting taxpayers money on dubious foreign adventures
Not to mention the woman who was locked in the boot of her car and burned alive by a group of suspected drug dealers in Wexford.

Body in car boot was a mum of two - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

For crimes of this nature, clear premeditation with utter callousness and disregard for life - if you throw in utter irrefutability in the strength of evidence then for me i think we should bring back death for those criminals who meet these criteria. Why waste money locking them up?

It should be quick and humane unlike what this woman suffered (for example a bolt gun fired mechanically at close range, straight through the back of the head).
 

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Do you have any idea whatsoever as to the difference between police and military?

Your first point is the job of the Gardaí and the Judiciary. The military are not a police force.

Your second point is covered by Marmurr1916.
The military exist to provide back up for the civil power.

When the civil power are a] unable b] unwilling or c] incapable of ensuring the safety of the citizens of a state then it is the duty of the military power to intervene.

The Irish military,s mision in Chad is subservient to the security of the Irish state.
When crime levels in the Irish state exceed those in Chad it is time to bring the military home.
 


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