Irish Media and Politicians - an unseemly closeness - a dangerous vulnerability ?

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Much is made of Denis O'Brien's media ownership - however - that is imo a red herring

The media are imo unduly close to politicians

There is lucrative two way traffic between Media and political staffing or lobbying

Also any of the Pol Corrs view themselves as power centres ... and they thus seek to shape Ireland, rather than report the facts ... you might imagine that several such Varys are indeed an outright players ...much more powerful than the average Cabinet Minister

Also there is a strong omerta about ever reporting on each other's competence - or unusual aspects of private lives

Thus
  1. an idiot/incompetent is safe
  2. a substance abuser is safe
  3. someone who "plays away from home" is safe
  4. sexual assualts go unreported ... unless reported to the Gardaí
  5. ditto most "brown envelopes" consumers
  6. ditto most nepotism beneficiaries
  7. duplicity between what is said / done in private ...vs public positions is safe

Indeed - I know of several politicians and Pol Corrs who can claim Bingo! as they have a full house on the above 7 vices

Indeed to an extent that extends to most other categories of journalists (business etc) ... scandals are swept under the carpet

But...who is under the carpet ?

-- Spies from other states
-- Spies from the political parties
-- Spies from the corporate sector

You might imagine that there is a bustling trade in "compromises" with pols and journos getting sold on all the time

Think about it ... if you threw a few million into cyber compromises every year - e.g. StingRays https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSI-catcher etc ... you'd get good stuff ... similarily extrapolate regards a few good spooks on the ground

Then think...why bother ? Maybe just specialise in one compromise type ...and align with a Nation State and trade with them for all of your needs

cyp
 


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My dear,I mean boss, the people who run Ireland havent even got to an awareness of the level of "interference" you are discussing.

They dont know its happening. One damn thing after another, mush musha, the money is still here for my Charvets, (that was the brand, right?)
 

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Ask DDP what he has seen?
Then ask DDP what he has reported!
Then question the media!
 

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Oh dear, it seems national security is meaningless to our State and its citizens.

Now cYp is told you what "under the carpet" means. You wet yourself over Russians hacking American servers. Bad bad Russians.

Put it simply, before I go to bed, the Irish elites are too stupid even to run a private server. Every dirty deal and leg-over they do, which is hidden from you because you would faint with shock, is known to someone else.

And because the Irish elites think you will faint from shock, they are open to anyone, just anyone, who can blackmail them.

And you dont care, because you will never be told, so you carry on getting your vicarious thrills from US scandals :D
 

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Oh dear, it seems national security is meaningless to our State and its citizens.

Now cYp is told you what "under the carpet" means. ...

Put it simply, before I go to bed, the Irish elites are too stupid ...Every dirty deal and leg-over they do, which is hidden from you because you would faint with shock, is known to someone else.

And because the Irish elites think you will faint from shock, they are open to anyone, just anyone, who can blackmail them.
Indeed ... I took a look at a tap of LH info systems recently ...now you know I am open minded on filth...

But the buggers are producing petabytes of filth on a weekly basis that is too outré for even me

As to closet 47 in the basement ... those images will stay with me until my dying day...I have no idea how the dachshund's head was coming out of his posterior .... and as for the poor altar girl with the monsignor eating his way out of her grossly distended abdominal cavity ...and he had a dachshund in him too ...protruding from... a custom port ... and the Secretary General ...oh dear me ...



cyp
 

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Spill, people. We've heard the rumours and allusions (particularly some of the northern ones ;) ), now tell us all. G'wan... The divil hates a coward...
 

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Much is made of Denis O'Brien's media ownership - however - that is imo a red herring

The media are imo unduly close to politicians

There is lucrative two way traffic between Media and political staffing or lobbying

Also any of the Pol Corrs view themselves as power centres ... and they thus seek to shape Ireland, rather than report the facts ... you might imagine that several such Varys are indeed an outright players ...much more powerful than the average Cabinet Minister

Also there is a strong omerta about ever reporting on each other's competence - or unusual aspects of private lives

Thus
  1. an idiot/incompetent is safe
  2. a substance abuser is safe
  3. someone who "plays away from home" is safe
  4. sexual assualts go unreported ... unless reported to the Gardaí
  5. ditto most "brown envelopes" consumers
  6. ditto most nepotism beneficiaries
  7. duplicity between what is said / done in private ...vs public positions is safe

Indeed - I know of several politicians and Pol Corrs who can claim Bingo! as they have a full house on the above 7 vices

Indeed to an extent that extends to most other categories of journalists (business etc) ... scandals are swept under the carpet

But...who is under the carpet ?

-- Spies from other states
-- Spies from the political parties
-- Spies from the corporate sector

You might imagine that there is a bustling trade in "compromises" with pols and journos getting sold on all the time

Think about it ... if you threw a few million into cyber compromises every year - e.g. StingRays https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSI-catcher etc ... you'd get good stuff ... similarily extrapolate regards a few good spooks on the ground

Then think...why bother ? Maybe just specialise in one compromise type ...and align with a Nation State and trade with them for all of your needs

cyp
I think the American result tonight - points towards how unwise it is to sweep stuff under the carpet

cyp
 

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There is a lot of stuff swept under the carpet in Ireland.

Excellent OP.

The DOBlin media can no longer pretend the Clintons are not corrupt. People can watch "Clinton cash" on youtube. And it is very informative. It provides interesting analysis of deals in Haiti.
 

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There is a lot of stuff swept under the carpet in Ireland.

Excellent OP.

The DOBlin media can no longer pretend the Clintons are not corrupt. People can watch "Clinton cash" on youtube. And it is very informative. It provides interesting analysis of deals in Haiti.
It's been very enlightening, for sure. Even in ways the OP did not intend.
 

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If you keep sweeping shít under the carpet ...everyone in the house gets sick

If you've too many skeletons in your closet ...calamity happens when they all tumble out at once

The Irish Media are the enemy of the people - but they in fact need to be the suppliers of enemata to the politicians ... with the outflow shown to us all

cyp
 

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Independent is the only organ which calls it right consistently.
RTE/IT etc posit the PC horse manure by the truckload. The NI "peace process" is a classic example of this crud where we have allowed criminals into the fold. They are also paid not to kill and are allowed to bleat on about human rights. Any criticism of them or this approach is deemed to be "anti-peace process" by the sf/ira/montrose/IT Brigade. Sickening. Unlike here the Colombians told their political masters where to stick their dirty "peace deal."
 

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There is a lot of stuff swept under the carpet in Ireland.

Excellent OP.

The DOBlin media can no longer pretend the Clintons are not corrupt. People can watch "Clinton cash" on youtube. And it is very informative. It provides interesting analysis of deals in Haiti.
Looks interesting.
[video=youtube;7LYRUOd_QoM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LYRUOd_QoM[/video]
 

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Independent is the only organ which calls it right consistently.
RTE/IT etc posit the PC horse manure by the truckload. The NI "peace process" is a classic example of this crud where we have allowed criminals into the fold. They are also paid not to kill and are allowed to bleat on about human rights. Any criticism of them or this approach is deemed to be "anti-peace process" by the sf/ira/montrose/IT Brigade. Sickening. Unlike here the Colombians told their political masters where to stick their dirty "peace deal."
'king 'ell. Call the nurses - this one's lost it completely/
 

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Indeed ... I took a look at a tap of LH info systems recently ...now you know I am open minded on filth...

But the buggers are producing petabytes of filth on a weekly basis that is too outré for even me

As to closet 47 in the basement ... those images will stay with me until my dying day...I have no idea how the dachshund's head was coming out of his posterior .... and as for the poor altar girl with the monsignor eating his way out of her grossly distended abdominal cavity ...and he had a dachshund in him too ...protruding from... a custom port ... and the Secretary General ...oh dear me ...



cyp
Cyp your a sensitive soul..............Rots saw worse in the home videos produced in the seventies by a radical troupe of Albanian nuns who were touring Ireland on a secret friendship trip............:shock2: lol
 

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'king 'ell. Call the nurses - this one's lost it completely/
The Indo stable is odd ... so long as Dennis himself is not poked too hard ... he lets them have more free reign than at RTE or the IT ...excluding DOB ...I'd say the Indo is substantially freer than the other too ...mind you ... the Sindo ...is still fruit bat territory ... good wordsmiths ...terrible thoughtsmiths

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Much is made of Denis O'Brien's media ownership - however - that is imo a red herring

The media are imo unduly close to politicians

There is lucrative two way traffic between Media and political staffing or lobbying

Also any of the Pol Corrs view themselves as power centres ... and they thus seek to shape Ireland, rather than report the facts ... you might imagine that several such Varys are indeed an outright players ...much more powerful than the average Cabinet Minister

Also there is a strong omerta about ever reporting on each other's competence - or unusual aspects of private lives

Thus
  1. an idiot/incompetent is safe
  2. a substance abuser is safe
  3. someone who "plays away from home" is safe
  4. sexual assualts go unreported ... unless reported to the Gardaí
  5. ditto most "brown envelopes" consumers
  6. ditto most nepotism beneficiaries
  7. duplicity between what is said / done in private ...vs public positions is safe

Indeed - I know of several politicians and Pol Corrs who can claim Bingo! as they have a full house on the above 7 vices

Indeed to an extent that extends to most other categories of journalists (business etc) ... scandals are swept under the carpet

But...who is under the carpet ?

-- Spies from other states
-- Spies from the political parties
-- Spies from the corporate sector

You might imagine that there is a bustling trade in "compromises" with pols and journos getting sold on all the time

Think about it ... if you threw a few million into cyber compromises every year - e.g. StingRays https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSI-catcher etc ... you'd get good stuff ... similarily extrapolate regards a few good spooks on the ground

Then think...why bother ? Maybe just specialise in one compromise type ...and align with a Nation State and trade with them for all of your needs

cyp
the solution to all our problems Broadcasting levy could be used to fund newspapers - Independent.ie
 

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It's like the US media supporting the Dems. In Ireland the media support the Establishment parties and the privileges of rich people to get away with breaking the law. So you get rugby players etc with their penalty points erased - a fact played down by INM for a long time.

The Trump vote shows that the voters are starting to see through media bias, perhaps because these conflicts of interests are uncovered on social media which the Establishment media don't control.
 

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Anyone watching PK ?
Luvvie wailfest
With a few decent commentators.
 


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